What’s Current: Egyptian lawyer says men have a ‘national duty to rape’ women who wear revealing clothing

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  • An Egyptian lawyer says men have a “national duty to rape” women who wear revealing clothing.
  • Inquest in Thunder Bay hears that a Kasabonika Lake First Nations woman killed herself in the back of a police car after a child welfare worker took her baby.
  • Having a hard time keep up with all the rapists? Fast Company has assembled a list of prominent men recently accused of sexual misconduct.
  • Lord Robert Winston, a fertility specialist, says trans-identified people who seek gender reassignment procedures can end up “badly damaged” and regret permanent effects on fertility.
  • Rape charges against actor Danny Masterson have been stalled for over a decade. Yashar Ali writes:

“Masterson is a longtime member of the Church of Scientology, an organization that has a history of covering up allegations of misconduct leveled against the organization and its members.”

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  • melissa

    First story is insane. He should’ve been locked up immediately for inciting violence against women.

    Speaking of violence against women, everyone heard of this story? Apparently French officials were aware of this big time, famous religious leader’s history of violence against women, but did nothing.

    ” A French official has admitted knowing Oxford professor Tariq Ramadan was “violent and aggressive” sexually, but denied hearing anything about rape.

    Bernard Godard, who was considered the “Monsieur Islam” of the French Ministry of the Interior between 1997 and 2014, was well acquainted with Mr Ramadan, a prominent Islamic scholar and grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

    When asked whether he had any knowledge of the rape and sexual assault that Mr Ramadan is now being accused of, Mr Godard insisted he had “never heard of rapes” and that he was “stunned”. ”

    “That he had many mistresses, that he consulted sites, that girls were brought to the hotel at the end of his lectures, that he invited
    them to undress, that some resisted and that he could become violent and aggressive, yes, but I have never heard of rapes, I am stunned,” he told French magazine L’Obs.

    The claim puts the French authorities in a tricky position as it suggests they were aware of Mr Ramadan’s abusive behavior towards women but failed to act.”

    https://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/french-official-knew-of-tariq-ramadan-s-violent-sexual-encounters-but-failed-to-act-1.672183

    More male logic. “Stunned” about rape while having knowledge of hm using violence and aggression to force unwilling women into sex. I mean the fuck? What does he think that is ?

    Also, this dude seems to also have a thing for raping “immodest” women, at-least according to one of his victims.

    • Womble Bananaroom

      what the actual fuck. collusion.

    • Hekate Jayne

      Oh my fucking god.

      Dude says “sure, sure, I heard about forced sex. But I never heard about any rape!”

      They don’t even bother with trying to even just give the appearance of making sense. They don’t have to.

      Males are violent idiots. So fucking stupid.

    • Morag999

      ‘”That he had many mistresses, that he consulted sites, that girls were brought to the hotel at the end of his lectures, that he invited them to undress, that some resisted and that he could become violent and aggressive, yes, but I have never heard of rapes, I am stunned,” he told French magazine L’Obs.’

      Monsieur Bernard Godard is “stunned” that a well-known rapist rapes.

      See, he had thought Mr. Ramadan was a nice misogynist. He had known him as a gentleman and a scholar who became violent and aggressive — as many fine, upstanding men do — when the girls and women he procured “resisted” being abused. But “rape”? Goodness, what a sordid word for men’s violent use of women! It makes the male right to dehumanize and violate women sound so, so … foul and unethical.

      Incredible. Godard should, indeed, be stunned — stunned by the rank nonsense drivelling out of his very own mouth! Stunned by his brain-rot being made public and staining the pages of newspapers that women can read.

      It’s so hard to choose who to hate most. Men who incite mass rape, like that Egyptian lawyer did, or scholarly rapists like Ramadan, or Hollywood producers, directors, actors, or all of these enablers like Godard, who see harassment and rape everywhere, but don’t worry their heads over it, because it’s just a thing that happens to women.

      We need a mandemic. Now. Yesterday.

      • Wren

        “It’s so hard to choose who to hate most.”
        Thankfully, I have plenty of hate to spread around.

  • Womble Bananaroom

    wtf egypt?!! how is this allowed to be a public figure? lift your game as a country.

  • fxduffy

    Since trying to keep up with the celeb rapist outings is becoming a full time occupation, the current list is welcome. And may it expand indefinitely, because if there’s any justice left at all in the world, we all know it will. To the point of being bible or phone book length, or as interminable as the all the male-dominated Who’s Who volumes combined.

    • Hekate Jayne

      Wonder what Alec Baldwin is trying to get ahead of, by saying this:

      “I certainly have treated women in a very sexist way. I’ve bullied women. I’ve overlooked women. I’ve underestimated women. Not as a rule,” he said, according to The Hollywood Reporter. “From time to time, I’ve done what a lot of men do, which is… when you don’t treat women the same way you treat men. You don’t. I’m from a generation where you really don’t and I’d like that to change. I really would like that to change.””

      He really would like it to change, tho. He just so derpderpderp confused!

      From here:
      http://wjla.com/news/entertainment/alec-baldwin-ive-bullied-women

      • Liz

        exactly, I mean what’s stopping him? He was waiting for society or his generation to change before he can treat women like human beings? What is wrong with him?

      • Danielle Matheson

        He’s just saying he’s sexually harassed/raped women without actually admitting it, but definitely admitting it. Vile piece of shite.

  • Morag999

    Yes.

  • Hekate Jayne

    Why is it that males always seem to think that “big” and/or “strong” is always the answer?

    And I am not even going to address the intelligent thing. No point. Males lack basic intellect most of the time. The stupidest always think that they are superior, even when all evidence contradicts them.

    • FierceMild

      Right? Then ask them if they think the biggest, strongest man ought to be in charge and watch them visibly blanch.

  • FierceMild

    Yup

  • Leo

    I don’t know. That really is quite the big question, isn’t it, how much of it is on purpose or not. I think about it a lot, too. Men are clearly doing it on purpose at times, I do agree. However, it seems like a lot of people do this cognitive dissonance/rationalisation thing on at least some issues, men are just especially prone to it. The more privilege, the more obliviousness, it seems like. When it comes down to actually changing one’s personal behaviour, in particular, how many people do that, to any significant extent at least? Even when they could and it would be easy? Usually they don’t even try – if they do something at all, it’s in response to a popular campaign. It’s still herd behaviour. I’m no longer confident many people are reflective enough to even stop and think about their actions, much less to do something differently. People don’t like to be questioned on it, and can get very defensive.

    Even the more politically aware aren’t exempt from this.

    If it was all on purpose, I’m not sure what that would mean.

    • Hekate Jayne

      I believe that they do it on purpose.

      I mean, we beg and plead and explain, and they just refuse to treat us with any dignity or respect. I can’t really believe that they are so confused about what consent is, or that they just don’t know how to not sexually harass us, etc.

      Regardless, if they choose to be assholes or if they are just oblivious, they are still responsible for their chosen actions.

      Males are really, really ignorant. But ignorance is no excuse.

      • Hannah Dhaliwal

        I am appalled about this too! The fact that a lawyer is suppose to be an individual who provides public services in which they fight for the rights of individuals, and fight against trivial like sexual harassment is clearly not depicted. This career is paradoxical to what this lawyer’s values are, also how he is misrepresenting this career. The fact that this Egyptian Lawyer places a submissive role on females aggravates me, calling it a “national duty to rape” woman wearing revealing clothing.This man is clearly objectifying woman, and showing male superiority over females, giving the ‘OKAY’ to sexual harassment. Why are woman always placed under expectations to wear certain clothes in the first place? Its the 21st century, and nonetheless anyone should be allowed to portray their identity, and internal sense of self however they choose.I also did a little research about lawyers in Egypt and I found that majority of the individuals who are lawyers are represented by a male figure. Why is it that these positions are male dominated? Was this lawyer penalized for stating this? That also leads me to question if there is justice in the justice system in Egypt?

    • FierceMild

      This is also my opinion, but I don’t think it excuses the behavior at all. They are responsible for what they do whether it’s deliberate or programmed behavior. I did not get to choose my programming either, but I found a way to see justice. So did every woman here, so do some men.

  • Hekate Jayne

    Hope they are rusty.

  • Danielle Matheson

    That Egyptian guy can go fuck himself…

    The article on the fertility of trans people…is not the least bit surprising. It’s common sense, even to me, someone who only has basic college biology and anatomy, that introducing hormones into children to stop puberty and natural development would cause major issues. Fertility, especially.

    This trans movement is a social contagion. Three year olds don’t have the wherewithal to decide on such permanent body changes. And they act as if people “questioning their gender” are the only ones who attempt suicide. Being in the midst of puberty is not a cake walk. Making life altering decisions to wreck your body because you think synthetic hormones will change your sex IS A MENTAL ILLNESS.

    Cursory research into puberty blockers will show you they are for a physiological condition that can cause premature death in a person. Precocious puberty is no joke. A tumor causing you to start puberty at FIVE is a travesty. A real illness.

    I, of all people, know mental illness is a struggle and makes life hard. Beyond hard. Debilitating. But you treat mental illness with therapy and certain meds. Not butchering a healthy body. Trans people are no more suicidal than say, depressed people with chronic pain.

    But I digress. Fertility issues are most certainly a possibility.