It’s time to consider a curfew for men

Cologne
Crowds of people outside Cologne Main Station in Cologne on New Year’s Eve. Photo: EPA (via The Telegraph)

You’ve had your chance, bepenised ones. And you’ve blown it. What you’ve proven, time and time again, is that you cannot be trusted to behave yourselves after dark. In Germany, about 1000 men are reported to have arrived to the Cologne Cathedral area on New Years Eve, intending to sexually assault and mug as many women as possible. The CBC reports, “Some 121 women are reported to have been robbed, threatened, or sexually molested there by gangs of mostly drunk men between 18 and 35 years old while out celebrating.” Similar attacks took place in Hamburg and Stuttgart as well. One victim told N-TV in Germany:

“At around 11pm we were at the main train station and wanted to travel on to see the fireworks, and that was when we first noticed all these men standing around. We managed to go into the cathedral and wanted to go past the Museum Ludwig to join everyone and watch the fireworks by the river, but suddenly we were surrounded by a group of between 20 and 30 men.

They were full of anger, and we had to make sure that none of us were pulled away by them. They were groping us and we were trying to get away as quickly as possible.”

Another victim, named only as Katja L, told Der Express:

“I was groped everywhere. It was a nightmare. Although we shouted and beat them, the guys did not stop. I was desperate and think I was touched around 100 times in the 200 meters. Fortunately I wore a jacket and trousers. A skirt would probably have been torn away from me.”

After a series of assaults on campus at UBC, “the general public” (let’s call them “women,” why don’t we) were warned to “remain extra vigilant of their surroundings and take every precaution to enhance their personal safety” when walking alone at night or, alternatively, have a campus escort accompany them to their destination.

Similarly, after the attacks in Germany, the Mayor of Cologne, Henriette Reker, suggested keeping “a certain distance of more than an arm’s length” from unknown men and told women that, “they should go out and have fun, but they need to be better prepared, especially with the Cologne carnival coming up.” She went on to say that there will be “online guidelines that these young women can read through to prepare themselves.”

Female students are under constant threat on college campuses — afraid to walk home at night, raped at parties, after the bar, and in their dorms. Despite the fact that male violence can and does happen at all hours, it is at night — walking to their cars, clutching their keys as they travel from the bus stop to their front doors, lying awake at night wondering what that sound is outside their windows, as well as during drunken celebrations like on New Years Eve or simply while out on Friday night — when women often feel most fearful of attack.

There are solutions: a feminist revolution; real consequences for men who rape, harass, and abuse women; ensuring women are financially independent and that they are able to leave abusers safely; a cultural shift that addresses male entitlement, porn culture, and the objectifying male gaze; an end to masculinity and, more broadly, gendered socialization that says men are actors whereas women are passive recipients of men’s “action” — that is, the idea that men are to “get” sex from women, which positions coercion as a normal and expected part of heterosexual relations… All of that. All of that would help. But while we’re working on that (with little help even from liberal feminists who claim a desire to end to rape culture, something they mysteriously separate from all the rest of that stuff), what are women to do? How long will it take for generations of men to shed the deeply ingrained notion that women’s bodies are for them and that sex is one of their natural born rights as men? Particularly when progressive and even other so-called “feminists” are fighting tooth and nail to ensure men continue to believe sex is a right, not a privilege?

In the meantime, women live in fear. We are attacked by large groups of drunk, aggressive men while ringing in the New Year. We double lock all our doors and windows but still can’t sleep at night. We fear those who drive us home at night. In the meantime, we are not safe and men — most men — are given free reign to behave however they wish, as most men who rape, harass, and abuse are not punished.

While, yes, men are violent during the day and while, yes, a curfew would not resolve the problem of patriarchy and male violence against women, it does, in a way, address entitlement and privilege. While, in some ways, my argument here began facetiously, the more I consider the idea of a curfew for men, the more it makes sense. Why should men, if they have proven time and time again that they cannot — will not — leave women alone, stop harassing, raping, drugging, stalking, catcalling, groping, flashing, be permitted to move about freely in this world? We — women — are the ones who suffer and who feel afraid.

And who is it we fear? Is it other women? Is it ghosts (Ok, yes, sometimes, if you are me, it is ghosts — but only while sleeping in large, old, creaky houses)? Is it a genderless, faceless, bodiless being? No. It is a male. A male with a penis that he may or may not use as a weapon.

“What real impact would a curfew have?” you might ask. Certainly it would send the message that we are taking men’s behaviour seriously and that it is no longer acceptable. Certainly it would allow women to move about more safely at night — on campus, in their homes, at bars, at the bus stop. Certainly it would name the problem. It would say, unequivocally, “The problem is you, men. You are the problem, and therefore, it is you who must be stopped.”

Think of it as a mass grounding for men. After a designated period of time, we’ll allow them back on the streets after dark to see how it goes. If the sexual assaults and harassment continue, well, it’s back to the curfew.

I mean, really, they asked for it.

Meghan Murphy
Meghan Murphy

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Meghan Murphy is a freelance writer and journalist. She has been podcasting and writing about feminism since 2010 and has published work in numerous national and international publications, including New Statesman, Vice, Al Jazeera, The Globe and Mail, I-D, Truthdig, and more. Meghan completed a Masters degree in the department of Gender, Sexuality and Women’s Studies at Simon Fraser University in 2012 and lives in Vancouver, B.C. with her dog.

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  • pyrite00

    Forcing all men under a curfew might be a great incentive for the “good guys” to find the “bad guys” and do some old fashioned attitude adjustment exercises on the guys who are wrecking it for everybody. Or the men may just do what most of them always do and be united in blaming women for men’s behavior.

    • Meghan Murphy

      I have the feeling that if ALL men were being punished for the behaviour of the men doing the actual raping, there might be more incentive for the non-raping men to start holding the raping men to account…

      • Dizzy Angel

        We can only hope. But considering the amount of blaming that goes toward women from alot of guys, are we SURE they would blame the real problem?

  • Meghan Murphy

    🙂

  • Mistybuttons

    Yes I see your point – a curfew would stop public rapes and assaults by men on women.
    But official stats show that most assaults by men on women are carried out in the home.
    So really, what we need is internment of all men, not a curfew !
    I mean internment until they show an appropriate level of behaviour compatible with living in a mixed society !

    • Meghan Murphy

      Yes you are totally right about where assaults happen. My thinking is that, while a curfew would not really end male violence against women, in and of itself, it would send a strong message that says — you may not operate with free reign. If you cannot behave yourselves, you lose the privilege of freedom.

  • Meliora Bachelor

    I wonder what laws Germany has regarding torture and execution? The proper response from their government would be to arrest all men responsible and have them each tortured to death on live television with the strong message that if males try anything like this ever again, what they’re seeing on TV will be their fate.

  • Shari Slater

    My bestiest Zoe & I know many, many men… fathers, husbands, single guys… who would beat these pathetic wolf-packers to a pulp.
    A blanket condemnation of all things penile negates the good that most men do, quietly and day to day.
    I think the source of this era’s problem lies in an agendad, out of control media which targets and synthetically pumps up the ignorant hater fringe, in similar ways to so-called ISIS targeting uneducated disaffected Mulsim youth. And this agenda works both ways- young women in all pop culture are caricatured as snarky slacker bitch-face vocal-fry trend-Ho twats, and we LOVE it (Girls/Broad City, much?), while young men are portrayed constantly as infantile, semi-sexual inept bearded hipster-boy man-children in every ad, late-nite comedy bit and “hilarious” sit-com. Instead of giggling at and reposting every goofy comedy-trope from every corporate-media blogsite, young women AND young men need to take back contemporary culture (or at least IGNORE it) from these corporate mass-media poisoners and replace it with an organic media based on equality and honest dialogue.

  • Meghan Murphy

    xo

  • Meghan Murphy

    As the article demonstrates, it is not only “immigrants” who rape and assault women.

    • DB Murphy

      How many native Germans were arrested?

    • Krzysztof Mach

      watch the relation of an eyewitness and then ‘comment’.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Happy New Year. marv!

  • Meghan Murphy

    Agree

  • skepticalia

    Reminiscent of the classic Indian feminist short story from 1905, Sultana’s Dream. http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/sultana/dream/dream.html

  • RedFem

    Long time reader first time commenter. Thank you for picking this up meghan.

    I am from germany and wanted to add some information, which the international press hasn’t picked up:
    The latest information from the Cologne police depatment is: there have been 121 offences reported, 75% of which contained sexual assault and two of which where rapes. In the city of Hamburg 53 offences have been reported.

    The day after the cologne police
    described the night as “frolic mood – celebration mostly peacefull” and it took until Monday 4th january for the major news to pick this
    story up. This is all a big mess where the right uses this as an exuse to indulge
    in their racism and the vast majority of the left worries only about
    that racism and gives a crap about women.

    When I first heard about this I immediately thought of porn and how awfully similar the treatment of women in porn is to this. Of course the media doesn’t talk about that. They talk instead about how important ist is that everybody adapts to our core egalitarian values. Like those would exist in a country with flatrate brothels, in which the treatment of women is even worse and also quite similar to this events.

    • Krzysztof Mach

      You are clearly out of your mind if you are comparing this to porn… Or you have never seen any porn. There is no porn where people are being kicked in the head or jumped on their heads while incapacitated on the floor. Have a look at the witness speaking about it in the link I included below – he speaks in german but subtitles are in English.

      • radwonka

        there is no porn with facial abuse, slurs, violent behavior, racism, choking, etc?? oh please!! its called “rough sex” and “kinkybdsm”, and it is the norm, the most popular categories:

        http://luaren.tumblr.com/post/79627230804/yeah-because-you-can-totally-tell-how-smart-i-am

        http://exgynocraticgrrl.tumblr.com/tagged/pornstitution

        Both links are full of studies.

        Porn is the eroticization of violence against women and it teaches how men should treat women. The worst part is that the violence in porn is real, the women are real (and often have no choice).

      • Sara Marie

        That is a flat out lie. I have no clue why you would make a statement that can be disproved with a simple google search? Unfortunately, I have seen porn and also talked to women used in it, which is why I’m so against it.

      • oneclickboedicea

        Women and female children are called cunts, sluts, whores, skanks, cum buckets, bitches etc in porn which in the West, 98% of men boast of using. Goebbels used mass objectification of Jews as vermin to drive violence against them, what difference is there in his use of media and male culture’s use of media to describe women by hate speech?

    • JoGoDant

      What? It isn’t German brothels or porn that has done this. All of the men molesting women were of North African and Middle Eastern Muslim majority countries. Women are literally second class citizens in Islam and unbelieving uncovered women have the status of cattle.

      • Meghan Murphy

        What about all the assaults happening on campus and elsewhere? Who is responsible?

  • jindi

    i’m all for naming the problem and ensuring men are the ones who have their lives restricted because of their abusive, exploitative behaviour.

    where this idea gets more difficult for me is when i consider that women are most often abused by men they know (for het women, largely their male intimate partner). YES, restrict men’s movement instead of women – but i need to go further and think the only way to keep women safe is if they were shut away alone.

    going further still, canada has a dangerous offender designation where high-risk offenders who pose an ongoing threat to public safety can be imprisoned indefinitely. if the argument is that men rape because they can’t control themselves – well ok! we have a law on the books to deal with that. the fact that applying this existing mechanism to protect women from male violence, or following this principle with a curfew like you suggest, seems extreme is further evidence that “public” means “man” and therefore worthy of protection while women are private and left to fend for ourselves.

    • Meghan Murphy

      I think I addressed the fact that I am aware that violence happens in all sorts of circumstances and that a curfew would not end male violence against women. The idea is that, 1) It sends a message, and 2) It tells men that if they will not behave themselves, they may not move about freely in this world and will have some of their privileges (like leaving the house at night) revoked.

      I am aware that violence against women comes from men they know, but I am also frustrated that women must be constantly fearful and ever-vigilant while out alone at night. I don’t expect a curfew, as I said, to resolve the problem, but I think the act send an important and clear message.

      • jindi

        i totally missed Mistybuttons’ similar comment and your response. what she said!

  • Meghan Murphy

    Naturally!

  • Meghan Murphy

    What is your point, Jeffry?

    • Sine FourEx

      I believe Jeffry is saying “Not all men”.
      Or maybe he is saying that it is prohibited to generalise about men as a distinct class of people that are in some way different from women.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Meet you there?

  • Armordog99

    Do you have some evidence that sex workers in Germany are being killed? I have done a lot of research on sex worker and have never come across any evidence of this. Would greatly appreciate a source for this information so I can verify this claim.

    • Sara Marie

      Do you you have clue who you’re even talking to? Rebecca Mott is well-known for her public anti-prostitution stance that she has taken as a survivor of many years in the sex trade. And unlike you, Rebecca Mott is leaving her comment under her real name, the same name she blogs under.

    • radwonka

      “In Germany, 55 prostitutes have been murdered since 2002 when prostitution was legalized. There have also been 29 attempted murders.”

      http://www.feministcurrent.com/2015/11/03/remembering-the-murdered-women-erased-by-the-pro-sex-work-agenda/

      You are welcome.

      “so I can verify this claim”

      I smell a rape trafficking negationist, well if you think trafficking isn’t real, that everyone is *empowered*, or that just a minority of girls are trafficked, I want your sources too.

      PS: “research on sex worker” more like “research on a lobby financed by rich pimps like George Soros who wants prostitution and brothels to be banalized at all costs”

      • Dorota Buczyńska

        This is long (shortened/excerpts) but i think relevant to some rich guy supporting prostitution. It’s about using prostitution and effectively decriminalizing rape (allowing treason of women by their fellow man proles) as means to divide working class in wake of witch hunts and development of capitalism in Europe.

        Silvia Federici “Caliban and the Witch”
        fragmenty rozdziału “All the World Needs a Jolt”

        “In all these cases, the rebels did not concern themselves with
        demanding some restrictions to feudal rule, nor did they only bargain
        for better living conditions. Their aim was to put an end to the power
        of the lords. As the English peasants declared during the Peasant Rising
        of 1381, “the old law must be abolished.” Indeed, by the beginning of
        the 15th century, in England at least, serfdom or villeinage had almost
        completely disappeared, though the revolt had been politically and
        militarily defeated and its leaders brutally executed (Titow 1969: 58).”

        “…As we shall see, there are reasons to be sceptical about the extent
        of this cornucopia. However, for a broad section of the western
        European peasantry, and for urban workers, the 15th century was a period
        of unprecedented power. Not only did the scarcity of labor give them
        the upper hand, but the spectacle of employers competing for their
        services strengthened their sense of self-value, and erased centuries of
        degradation and subservience.”

        “…Wages doubled and trebled in
        Italy, France and Germany (Boissonnade 1927: 31 6-20). In the lands of
        the Rhine and Danube the daily agricultural wage became equivalent in
        purchasing power to the price of a pig or sheep, and these wage rates
        applied to women as well, for the differential
        between female and male earnings was drastically reduced in the wake of the Black Death.”

        “However, by the end of the 15th century, a counter-revolution was
        already under way at every level of social and political life. First,
        efforts were made by the political authorities to co-opt the youngest
        and most rebellious male workers, by means of a vicious sexual politics
        that gave them access to free sex, and turned class antagonism into an
        antagonism against proletarian women.”

        “On average, half of the
        town male youth, at some point, engaged in these assaults, which
        Rossiaud describes as a form of class protest, a means for proletarian
        men – who were forced to postpone marriage for many years because of
        their economic conditions – to get back “their own,” and take revenge
        against the rich. But the results were destructive for all workers, as
        the state-backed raping of poor women undermined the class solidarity
        that had been achieved in the anti-feudal struggle”

        “For
        proletarian women, so cavalierly sacrificed by masters and servants
        alike, the price to be paid was inestimable. Once raped, they could not
        easily regain their place in society. Their reputation being destroyed,
        they would have to leave town or turn to prostitution (ibid.; Ruggiero
        1985: 99)… The legalization of rape created a climate of intense
        misogyny that degraded all women regardless of class. It also
        desensitized the population to the perpetration of violence against
        women, preparing the ground for the witch-hunt which began in this same
        period”

        “Another aspect of the divisive sexual politics that the
        princes and municipal authorities pursued to diffuse workers’ protest
        was the institutionalization of prostitu­tion implemented through the
        opening of municipal brothels soon proliferating throughout Europe.”

        “Thus, between 1350-1450, publicly managed, tax-financed brothels were
        opened in every town and village in Italy and France, in numbers far
        superior to those reached in the 19th century. Amiens alone had 53
        brothels in 1453. In addition, all the restrictions and penalties
        against prostitution were eliminated.”

        “It is difficult
        retrospectively to tell how far playing the “sex card” helped the state
        to discipline and divide the medieval proletariat. What is certain is
        that this sexual “new deal”was part of a broader process which, in
        response to the intensification of social conflict, led to the
        centralization of the state, as the only agent capable of confronting
        the generalization of the struggle and safeguarding the class relation.
        In this process, as we will see later in this work, the state became the
        ultimate manager of class relations, and the supervisor of the
        reproduction of labor-power – a function it has continued to perform to
        this day. In this capacity state officers passed laws in many

        countries that set Iimits to the cost of labor (by fixing the maximum
        wage), forbid vagrancy (now harshly punished) (Geremek 1985: 61fl), and
        encouraged workers to reproduce. Ultimately, the mounting class conflict
        brought about a new alliance between the bourgeoisie and the
        nobility…”

  • Armordog99

    Did the supreme court of Canada actually say that? Holy shit! So it doesn’t matter if what you are saying is the truth, if it is considered a stereotype (by the government obviously) than you can’t say it? Because that is what I get from that statement. I thought the U.S. was bad with political correctness but that is some straight up 1984 shit right there. Can you provide me a link to that Canadian Supreme Court case?

  • Jude

    “Men, much more so then women are biological prime for aggression of all kinds, including sexual.”

    It sounds you’re saying a male curfew would be a good idea.

    • Tired feminist

      I told you guys, didn’t I? Seems that even men themselves agree that their hormones are a bit of a problem.

  • Olivia

    You are out of your mind, are you doing drugs?

    Then, what happen in Germany wasnt the German men, it was the refugees.

    • Meghan Murphy

      Are you asking me? No I am not currently doing drugs… Why, do you have some?

  • Meghan Murphy

    ARE WE FLIRTING!?!??

    • Virginia Howard

      (laughing a harsh whisky laugh)

  • Meghan Murphy

    Ok, well this has been fun, Krzysztof, but I think it’s time to say goodbye. (See you in hell!! I’m excited. It’s too cold here.)

  • JingFei

    Why are you speaking to us like we favoured anything in Germany?

  • 37 Pieces Of Ric Flair

    Oh who the fuck cares. Stop acting like only certain types of men rape and assault. Men with white skin, men with dark skin, they’re all as a group a nasty threat to women’s sexual safety and I for one think Western societies need a male curfew just as much as any other fucking society.

  • Misanthropia

    You first.

  • radwonka

    But it still sounds like a good idea *.*

  • lapis

    “But it is not ‘men’ who attacked there in Koln – it is your favoured immigrants”
    Those immigrants were MALE. Are you pretending it was female refugees with children who carried out these attacks? It was misogynist men.

  • lapis

    I’m seeing a lot of European men online say that this is feminists fault and that we women brought it upon ourselves by caring about war refugees. They say that this is real rape culture unlike what’s going on in the West usually. Now as an European woman I think what has happened is horrific, that men have organized attacks on women and girls like this on a large scale. Similar assaults happened in Kalmar, Sweden too. But it seems our male Western brothers want to blame feminists for this – blame women. Victim blaming! Please tell me how you’re so different from your Muslim dudebros! They can see only see when things are rape and sexual assault when foreign men do it, it seems.

    Middle Eastern societies are deeply patriarchal. Meanwhile in Germany…there are mega brothels and people in power think it’s up to women to prevent mass-assaults by standing arms lenght away from strangers.

    • Alan Kikely

      Nobody is saying it is women’s fault because its not – who has said that? I have never seen or heard about anything like this done by Western men – are there specific examples where Western men have done this? I’m not sure sure if you think that the existence of brothels is evidence that the West is just as bad as everywhere else but consensual sex in exchange for resources is a fact of life whether we like it or not but its pretty ridiculous to put this on the same level as violently attacking and raping on the street

  • Meghan Murphy

    Start holding other men to account and we won’t have to.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Did I ever!

    • oneclickboedicea

      Publish them, we should be able to see the nature of the beast and the truth. Too much sanitising and airbrushing of men’s hatred going on all over the place. Women need to recognise that alot of men are full on psychopathic towards them and they can be policemen, doctors, school teachers etc. I have had two huge battles with head teachers at my daughter’s schools who have covered up a sexual assault on her aged six and now 18 months of attacks by a Muslim girl and her mother which are all about proving who is the infidel and who is the chosen race intersecting with its fine to hit or abuse a woman or child because men say its fine when they do it.

      • Meghan Murphy

        It’s too gross, believe me… And I think it encourages them to see their racist and misogynist hate published.

        • Claudia Manion

          I think this is about the only thing I don’t agree with you about Meghan. I was bullied throughout school (so much of it I can see now as kids being indoctrinated into their patriarchal roles and practicing on their peers) and I’m of the firm belief that bullies need to have the light shone glaringly at them, and to be shown that it’s not ok to continue on bullying. As radfems, it’s harder though because we are often seen as “wrong” or extreme in our views by those who still haven’t managed to see things as they are, so therefore we are somehow deserving of the bullying. I’m “thinking out loud” here; maybe you are right in not publishing. My gut tells me it’s better to out them.

          As a side note, I don’t like the adage “never read the comments”. Reading the comments reminds me we have so much work to do. Keeps a fire burning under me.

    • Claudia Manion

      I can only imagine. Thanks for speaking truth despite the backlash. You give many of us hope Meghan xx

  • Meghan Murphy

    You talk about “the ideology of these men” while failing to talk about the ideology of patriarchy. Women are raped and abused every single day, all around the world.

  • radwonka

    You completely missed my point, I’m answering your argument which defends porn and prostitution, like yeah you proved again that legalising prostitution, which is legalising the objectification of women, doesn’t bother you at all, whether it’s in western countries or anywhere else. Those liberal laws only benefit men and culturally speaking it solidified the power of men over women’s bodies.

    “All of the men molesting women were of North African and Middle Eastern Muslim majority countries” because pimps, johns and pornsick males don’t abuse and promote the degradation of women?

    And yet you have the nerve to “care” about Muslim women.

    Before you act like a saint who’s worried about other cultures, you should look and criticize your own institutions and laws first.

    *yawn*

    • Dorota Buczyńska

      Guess it’s totally different since they didn’t pay to molest the women.

  • Melanie

    Yes, what about the sexist and racist stereotypes promoted by pornography and prostitution? What about the stereotyping of women who are sexually assaulted on the street, while out late at night, at parties, in brothels – the stereotypes that insinuate they were ‘asking for it’ and are responsible for the crimes committed by men? Or is it only objectionable when men are stereotyped and denied their humanity?

  • Sam

    This is satire, right?

  • will

    *Thunderous applause*!!!

    I love this idea, mostly because it is rational, truth-based and also because it could be very effective. Taking punitive measures against the group in order to regulate individuals within that group works, as in: “Everyone gets detention until the dude who slashed the teacher’s tires comes forward” (for example).

    Such a measure occurred to me years ago in the late 1980s when there were a rash of rapes in Vancouver (including that “wronged grandpa” Ivan Henry) had authorities advising us women to stay inside with the doors locked. When I suggest[ed] then (and now) that males should have their access to public spaces regulated and restricted until the rapists could be identified, people find/found the notion unthinkable.

    People’s response to me and the silly incoherent comments here are not an indication of the untenability of the proposition, but rather a litmus test showing how ingrained is the acceptance that women should adjust to living in fear of violence, being raped and beaten and killed and also that they live and function with the trauma of male abuse.

    Brilliant idea; brilliant post Meghan. Keep prodding the Patriarchy so the hypocrisy pours out!

    • Hrrmn

      I agree. The only problem is that, because of discrimination in hiring practices and archaic gender roles enforced by the patriarchy, men hold the overwhelming majority of the developed world’s most critical jobs. Until women are allowed to take positions where they keep water flowing, run power plants, repair roads, maintain mass transit systems, patrol streets, respond to emergencies, and defend countries from invasion, I guess we’re stuck with penises at night. And let’s be clear, the problem is penises in general, not fundamentalist immigrant penises that believe God made women to be worth little more than farm animals.

  • Vexed

    Could you explain how a ‘curfew for men’ would be enforced?

    • airmanjoe

      It couldn’t be. Men would just start “identifying” as women. Problem solved.

  • Sebastian Villegas

    Well, I can’t blame the thinking behind your idea as wow. Somebody did not raise those men right. That’s just horrifying. So, alright. Curfew it is then.

  • Meghan Murphy

    “Innocent German men?”” You mean those men who turned Germany into the “Bordello of Europe”??

  • Meghan Murphy

    Why would they refuse? There are plenty of men who are on board with this idea. Believe it or not, there are men who would like to end rape/violence against women too.

  • Meghan Murphy

    What on earth does ‘bringing both genders closer together’ have to do with anything? Is that what you think feminism is about?

    • Robbert

      Yes. That is exactly what feminism is about. And I quote Merriam Webster:
      1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
      2: organized activity on behalf of women’s rights and interests

      • Meghan Murphy

        Feminism is about ending patriarchy and male violence against women.

      • Tired feminist

        Oh sure, Merriam Webster! That milestone of feminist theory!

  • Meghan Murphy

    You don’t understand how patriarchy works, do you?

  • Meghan Murphy

    It appears as though I’ve stayed silent on nothing, Mz.

  • Meghan Murphy

    You got it, Alienigena. Thank you.

  • Meghan Murphy

    “Harmless Western men.” lol.

  • lagattamontral

    Have you read the famous series in Der Spiegel about the mega-brothels in Germany?

  • lagattamontral

    I don’t want a world without men; I want a world without patriarchy, and also without capitalism, imperialism and racism. None of the more fundamentalist manifestions of religion would be nice too, but I suppose that is also a matter of patriarchy.

    There is a whole other question here. Where the fuck were the police? I’ve lived in three different European countries, and also spent the Solstice holidays in Germany. Everywhere, crowds of people gather in city centres to ring in the new year. Most people are just having a good time, but there are always those who have had too much to drink, smoke or otherwise ingest and who act like arseholes. The place these attacks occurred is dead centre in Cologne, between the main railway station, the Rhine, the Cathedral. It is utterly irresponsible that there wasn’t more of a police presence.

    • Tired feminist

      I didn’t say I want a world without men. I said I want a world without men at night. I could have added “outside” but I thought it was kind of understood.

      They didn’t seem to fear the police much. One of the women assaulted was a police officer… I, too, found the police to be inexplicably ineffective. The day after, the event was described as peaceful and with no major issues!!! Add to this that the story took five days to reach the media and it all becomes somewhat suspicious.

    • Aryanblindboy

      uh – the police aren’t allowed to cross the muslim-phobic line of racist, prejudice, profiling, discrimination, career ending law suits and they were basically outnumbered by 1,000s of poor, oppressed refugee victims on the one hand… while being hamstrung as sexist, misogynistic, evil-white-male-patriarchs sued and fired for presuming to help the empowered, independent, strong and fully capable go gurrls. Equality? OK – Real women fight their own fights. That’s what being equal looks like. Equally empowered, independent, strong and fully capable women meet poor, oppressed, misjudged and wrongly hated muslim-refugee-victim – may the diversity, tolerance, equality and anti-racism be with you. AhhMen.

      • Alienigena

        Was waiting for the victim blame and here it is. People like you are so predictable. I have found that even if you defend yourself verbally and physically the reaction you get might be extreme. So women can protect themselves but still get blamed for whatever happens to them. They are not seen as heroic or acting legitimately in their own defense (including in cases where deadly violence is directed against them). Guess you are just another hysterical male on your own mission (from god), right?

        • Cassandra

          Yes. When women talk back or react to harassers, the harassers often get very, very angry. It gets much worse. “How dare you talk back to me! I’m the MAN! I’m the big MAN here!” And when you talk back/tell a man to fuck off when he’s pestering you and he comes back at you even harder/hurts you, people say “What were you thinking! You can’t do that! That’s dangerous! You put yourself in harm’s way.” It’s never, ever about why men are doing it in the first place. That is not questioned. So which is it, should we carry a gun and defend ourselves and fight back or not? If we fight back and kill them with these guns we’re supposed to be carrying, will the law say “Oh, that’s okay. She was defending herself.” Somehow I think not. Why can’t they just leave us the fuck alone?

  • Tired feminist

    LOL you’ve never been to Germany, have you?

  • Tired feminist

    There is already a curfew for women. It’s called rape culture.

  • Meghan Murphy

    And there are many innocent refugees.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Do you think patriarchy is an accident?

  • Diana Pena

    You have some responsibility to protect yourself. Rape is bad, and rapists are scum, but you saying that it’s bad to suggest that you protect yourself is like saying that it’s bad to tell people to not post on facebook that they’re going on vacation with their doors left unlocked.

    Telling women that they have no need to take responsibility for their safety is hurting women, not helping.

    • Jude

      How do I protect myself against the propaganda of hatred towards me and entitlement to my body that is spread through the billion-dollar industry that is porn? How do I protect myself against 11-year-olds being indoctrinated to believe that I am a second-class citizen, a sex-doll, made of parts that they are to get off on brutalizing? How do I protect myself against this new/old public hypnotism?

    • JingFei

      She never said that. She said women are told we are *mainly* responsible for our own safety, and that society will do very little to protect us from sexual predators. Which is true.
      How did you read that as a suggestion that women have “no need to take responsibility for their safety”?

  • Lucas Perez-Leahy

    This is Islamaphobic, racist, bullshit.

    Nothing else. Do you REALLY think the Muslims are the only ones that rape? Just. Not. True. But to refute such an asinine argument on an empirical basis would be to justify its legitimacy as a stance.

    Oh, and sexual violence against women in the middle-east is positively correlated with the involvement of the U.S. military. Things have gotten worse for women in Iraq and Afghanistan since U.S. involvement, not better. And the problem in that case isn’t Islam, it’s imperialism…

    • Randy Eaves

      They aren’t the only ones that rape but these North African/Arab muslims do come from a culture/religion in which women are treated about as good as dogs are in the USA. So it’s really not a surprise when groups of these sexually and culturally deprived young men start acting like jungle animals in the streets the first time they are exposed to large groups of women in the streets who aren’t covered and / or being chaperoned.

      • Meghan Murphy

        Bye racist.

    • Mengerian Knight

      Yep. There is no 100% correlation between rape and being Muslim / Arab, and yet Ryan Faulk noticed that does not change the fact that the correlation is positive.

      Understanding basic arithmetic: such Islamaphobic, racist, bullshit. 😉

  • Rebecca Mott

    German men do rape German women all the time if they go to brothels or consume prostitution – but I keep forgetting prostituted women don’t count.

  • JingFei

    Women already scurry to get to where they are going at night and are taught to “not go out after dark”. And if you do, “Go with a group. Do not drink. Don’t dress provocatively.”. Just because you don’t care that we live this way, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

  • Sine FourEx

    Here is some marketing copy from a Karlsruhe brothel that will give you some idea of how prostitution in Germany is sold.

    “In Eros Center Karlsruhe you can find everything your cock desires. You can find many attractive ladies for every taste. Which will it be?
    – Mature and experienced ladies who will show you how to please a woman properly.
    – Would you prefer to become teacher and break in the young, crisp and wild mares?
    – You like them docile and want to live out your dominant masculinity?
    – Would you prefer to cuddle up to large and plump breasts and enjoy a sense of security to refuel?

    Of course, you realize that you can do something else with these fine specimens
    Skinny and petite ladies with small, cute breasts and ass are also available.”

    In case you are wondering, Euro30 will buy you any of these services, they boast that it is cheaper than “stupid phone-sex”. (Not much solidarity with the PSO “sex workers” there!)

    So what is it your cock desires?

    Break in a young, crisp and wild mare or live out your dominant masculinity on a docile specimen?

    Maybe what these men’s cocks desired was to live out their dominant masculinity on young, crisp and wild mares, someone who wasn’t a docile specimen. They were living out the fantasy that the sex industry is actively marketing and selling for Euro30 a pop.

    • Cassandra

      Holy shit at the copy. I feel like puking.

  • Cepheid-III

    Sometimes I like to imagine a world without men during the days AND nights. 🙂

  • radwonka

    Thank you!!

    *applause*

  • Tera

    What about all of Germany’s mega brothels? German men are clearly as capable of violence toward women as any other man. Germany seems to have a major issue considering women as human beings, if they did, they would never have allowed those brothels to go up in the first place.

  • Asami Yamazaki

    Men are the inferior, violent, emotional sex and ought to be treated accordingly. http://vegandarkness.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-inferior-sex-maleness-as.html

  • Melissa Cutler

    Did FartRapeApologist actually counter my point with a “not all men” argument? LOL

  • Jude

    This is just an idea, mostly rhetorical (IOW, meant to get people to think). That makes the extreme reactions, as if men are defending their very selves, quite fascinating.

  • Jude

    Okey dokey! I guess it would never work and no one should talk about the idea in any way!

    There have been many curfews placed upon young adults and teens after incidents that disturb the public. It seems to work out fairly well, even though it includes young men. I don’t see why, when there’s a serial killer on the loose, when there’s public sexual assault, when a man goes on a shooting spree, etc. most of the police force would suddenly be unable and unwilling to enforce a curfew, but I’m SURE it would happen. Because men only care about fighting the tyranny of feminism.

    Like I said, I think if it would make their jobs easier to do, they wouldn’t much care about how they felt about feminists or women, frankly. If it’s practical, very few would be likely to have a hissy fit in the name of male solidarity. Majority of society might want to lower the crime rate more than they want to fight for men’s freedom right now — lots of men are sick of the news, lots of men have families they care about, lots of men who wouldn’t mind if they had to stay home after 9 p.m. or whatever, even if it’s just to make a point about other men’s behavior.

  • Randy Eaves

    Voluntarily being a prostitute and having sex with men for money is not rape.

  • Alienigena

    As an atheist I am not comfortable with the position that the religious deserve more tolerance than the non-religious. The basic right is freedom of conscience, and since I have a conscience (and am human) I am entitled to the same protections from persecution as are the religious. I am not comfortable with the misogyny in any religion. And most religions, including the poster child for fluffy bunny religion, Buddhism, are misogynistic (their texts and/or their adherents and/or their leadership). I don’t think western men are harmless, they are pretty misogynistic. I was raised in a family where there was a massive double standard re: treatment of men and women. And we were a fairly typical family.

  • Meghan Murphy

    The problem is not prostituted women. The problem is men who buy sex and/or exploit women for financial gain. Simply because a brothel owner is a woman does not make it any more acceptable.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Oh I’m just so honoured!!

  • Meghan Murphy

    Who is it raping women on campuses across North America?

  • Meghan Murphy

    BYE

  • Meghan Murphy

    Men are very irrational, over-emotional, humourless creatures. It’s in their nature.

  • Meghan Murphy

    What are you talking about??? What feminist has ever advocated to imprison prostituted women??? Educate yourself pls.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thanks honeymoon.

  • Meghan Murphy

    German abolitionists most certainly have.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Do you people not know how to read?? Feminist Current is and has always been known for being an abolitionist site. It’s as though you’re trying to prove, over and over again, how completely stupid MRAs really are.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I supposed trafficking, colonialism, the ‘comfort women’, etc. is all just a figment of our collective imaginations?

  • Melanie

    Being a woman doesn’t make sexual exploitation and violence OK. Also men don’t have sexual needs, They have sexual desires and a belief that they’re entitled to sex regardless of how it impacts other people. If you think that comes above the safety, health and lives of women then you’re no better than some fundie who thinks women exist solely to serve his ‘needs’

  • Melanie
    • Bob Loblaw

      https://www.salon.com/1999/07/29/rape_4/
      ” police said her inebriation made it difficult to get a clear story, however.”
      The women in Cologne weren’t inebriated and there were thousands of North Africans and Syrians and hundreds of assaults.

      All rape is wrong and despicable but this was cultural (culture of rape)

  • Meghan Murphy

    The Nordic model. Please read about it on the site b/f commenting further. thx

    • Stu

      Nordic models drives things underground and endangers women. Please read about the facts.

      • Tangelo

        Nordic models help all women. And hold the men who rape them, accountable.

      • Cassandra

        No, it doesn’t. Nordic model cuts down on trafficking. Please read about the facts.

  • Meghan Murphy

    You gotta love how all the xenophobic MRAs are pro-legalized prostitution, eh? Where do you think all those women come from? Women in legal brothels are imported in from other countries, genius.

  • Exactly

  • Meghan Murphy

    But you are suggesting we ‘ban’ refugees?

  • Meghan Murphy

    “Listen young lady, you are in no position to tell me where I comment when or what. You are in no position to try anything to control me.”

    Actually, I am… Bye.

  • Furrius Artistus Maximus

    Only cis-het men should have a curfew. The author forgets that trans-men and other non-binary and/or non male or non human identifying individuals are allies in this fight against historic male oppression. Otherkin like myself are on your side in the struggle.

    • Meghan Murphy

      I’d love to agree except I’ve been getting a shit-ton of really disgusting misogynist comments (unpublishable) here from gay men…

      • Furrius Artistus Maximus

        Gay white men are still mostly cis, so they have systemic privilege that they take for granted. Us otherkin identify as having no skin color.

        • Cassandra

          Aren’t you a speshul snowflake?

  • Jude

    “There is no social shaming at all agianst sexual violence towards non-Islamic women”

    This is actually why people keep bringing up the publicness and ubiquity of the brothels and “bordello of Europe” stuff. I don’t want to make comments that are already left downthread, but basically, it’s two sides of the same coin. Women are either private sexual property or public sexual property now. People in Western patriarchy think liberation for women is to be seen as sex and nothing or not much else everywhere and anywhere, because it is “empowering”; so it’s not surprising that there could be some confusion about the right kind of cultural mores around how women are to be used by men for sex. The point is though, in either patriarchy, it’s the same shit.

    No woman is anyone’s “whore”.

  • Tera

    One might request that you do the same Stu, but I won’t be holding my breath.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Bye Kenneth.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Sidenote: Just so you’re aware, I’ve published maybe five per cent of these racist, misogynist comments — the most ‘moderate’ ones at that. Just to show what these people actually think. Hundreds and hundreds of much worse comments have been deleted.

    • Jude

      You’re probably on MRA/4chan watchlists. This is a good blog post for them to use as bait to ‘prove’ feminism is about man-hating. To me, the post reads as kind of a “you’re drunk men, go home” thing, but I don’t have a lizard-brain type of desperate fear reaction to feminism, so that probably helps.

      • Meghan Murphy

        Probably!

  • disqus_aGSP5750RD

    People who reference the article by Maajid Nawaz as if it were in disagreement with Meghan’s article aren’t reading it fully or properly.

    “Former Israeli prime minster Golda Meir may have done and said many things people disagree with, but one of her stances is difficult to argue with. When there was an outbreak of nighttime assaults against women in Israel, a minister in the cabinet suggested a curfew to keep women in after dark. “But it’s the men who are attacking the women,” she retorted. “If there’s to be a curfew, let the men stay at home, not the women.””

  • Christian Rodricks

    I’ve reported this article.

    A good test to see if what you’ve written is dog shit or not is to replace the subject matter with another similar word ( replace men with another group of peoples, blacks, tall, left handed, islamic, rich ect) and see if it stil seems reasonable.

    i think if you wanted a curfew for all rich people you would be laughed at.

    • Meghan Murphy

      You reported this article to whom? The Lizard King?

    • andye

      The premise is ridiculous in itself, without needing to do that. In fact the actual point of the article is to use it’s crazy premise to highlight a real actual problem – which is male violence. If you interpret it without the obvious subtext you are either being dense or you are being misleading. Basically: I am pretty sure the author doesn’t actually think that a curfew would happen or should happen.

      Some confusion is understandable, though. We live in a world where a US presidential contender is actually running on a platform of “ban muslims”. Parody and irony are becoming obsolete.

    • Cassandra

      LOL. What did you report it for and to whom? Wait, is it THE ILLUMINATI?

      Men AS MEN are not systemically discriminated against. You can’t sub words for “men” as if there is no social hierarchy.

  • Jude

    “How do you rape a woman in a brothel in Germany?”

    You rape her, that’s how.

    “You cannot rape the willing.”

    You are assuming that giving someone money* so they will go through with something is the same thing as someone having the will to do it. These are not equivalent.

    *This is the point made on this site about prostitution. Many times, women have no other options. Here, that is referred to as financial coercion. Advocates of legalizing the selling of sex but not the buying are usually also advocates of women having financial options other than the selling of sex, to be sure that there is not financial coercion (or force) muddying up the waters.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Click on “the Nordic model” category, Stu. Don’t comment again till you’ve read it through extensively.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I’ve wondered the same! Like, who ARE these weirdos???

    We found ’em!

  • Meghan Murphy

    lol

  • Meghan Murphy

    Who do you think is doing all the raping on campuses across North America?

  • Meghan Murphy

    You’re barking up the wrong tree on this one, bro.

  • Jude

    I agree, though I don’t know that the more reasonable comments actually engaging with the topic of the misogynist attitudes in the region have been ignored (at least not further downthread). I think it’s the obviously totally xenophobic/rape-apoligist ones that just seem pointless.

    Mormonism is kind of a good analogy, to me, to Islam. It’s got fundies who are totally nuts and do horrible, horrible shit to women. They have a bunch of stone-age beliefs. Part of that is clearly cultural though — Western (as in the area of the U.S. where it is prevalent) rugged individualism, kind of isolated from others, often rural (difficult) lifestyle, proud gun culture. And it’s very, very white. There has been terrorism, anti-U.S. sentiment associated with it. But it’s very, very white. I’m pretty sure Salt Lake City has scary high rape and sexual rates for a major city in the U.S. Yet, nobody’s all freaked out about how those Mormon (or even Western) weirdos shouldn’t move to other states. And honestly, I kind of think people should be a little concerned about the spread of Mormonism RE women.

  • Alan Kikely

    Can you name any time in the history of humanity when women have been treated better by men than they are in the modern-day West? The fact that you think the way christian men treat their wives is comparable to the way muslim women get treated in the middle-east. What could change to make you completely satisfied with the situation?

    • Meghan Murphy

      In Indigenous cultures.

    • Claire Drake

      So what you’re really saying is that women should feel grateful for the way they are treated by men.

  • Bob Loblaw

    Well said.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Because this article has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ‘MASS IMMIGRATION’, moron. It’s about rape culture and male violence against women. The ONLY people who think this article is about ‘mass immigration’ are you Trump supporting freaks.

  • Meghan Murphy

    1 in 3 women in Europe have been sexually assaulted/abused. Do you think the only reason this is the case is because of ‘immigrants’??

  • Meghan Murphy

    Wait, I’m sorry… Are some rapes ‘not as bad’ as other rapes, somehow??? What’s the science behind that, sir?

  • Meghan Murphy

    lol. That’s weird then — how come I’m the writer with an audience and not you? How did that happen??

  • Meghan Murphy

    Can’t you just picture the steam coming out of their little white ears? And they say feminists can’t take a joke! Poor dears take themselves so very seriously…

  • Meghan Murphy

    Funny, because you and your buddies seem to be taking us very, VERY seriously…

    • Cassandra

      “Feminism is over” is one of the favorite birdcalls of species MRA gasbagdocious. As they obsessively troll feminist articles. Nope. We’re still here. It ain’t over. Never will be.

  • Tera

    Who said anything about imprisoning victims?? The men who exploit these women are the criminals, and they should be treated as such. That is my point, Germany does not hold men accountable for their behaviour, the brothels built for them to exploit women are an major example of that.

  • Tera

    And btw, implying that because Germany has a female chancellor, that this must mean it no longer has a problem with sexism or misogyny makes about as much sense as it would to state that America does not continue to have issues with racism because it has a black president.

  • Claire Drake

    Women are the ones who don’t deserve curfews yet they still have them.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Should I offer him a column?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Well, the Nordic model is being implemented in more and more countries as we speak, so I’d say we’re fans of ‘solving issues in reality’ here, yeah.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Are you daring me to admit my ‘bias’ against patriarchy? OoooOOOOooooOOOOoo

  • Meghan Murphy

    Never! Certainly they never came over to what is now known as Canada and raped/prostituted Indigenous women. Funny how these right-wingers don’t see themselves as the very immigrants they attack. It’s like colonialism never happened!

    • SentinelBorg

      You know that the Ottoman Empire was the largest colonalist power in the pre-modern world?
      You know that the Arabs were the ones hunting and selling the african slaves to the british in west africa?
      You know that Europe was sieged by muslim nations for hundreds of years before they finally gained technological superiority?

      Or do you just care about parts of history to blame everything on white men?

      • Meghan Murphy

        Nice derail, bud. Wanna talk about the European men who came over here to this land and what they did to Indigenous people now?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yeah, you’re right. No German man has ever abused or raped anyone.

    • Cassandra

      Wonder how many of ’em got this?

  • Meghan Murphy

    BYE.

  • Meghan Murphy

    HOW’S YOUR MOTHER’S BASEMENT TREATING YOU ANYWAY, HUH?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Four exclamation points!!!! You MUST be legit.

  • Meghan Murphy

    10,000 a day is tho…

  • Meghan Murphy

    But I hate cats 🙁

  • Meghan Murphy

    And worse! I assume some kind of Trump2016 page? I guess I’m lucky to have never encountered these psychos till now?

  • Meghan Murphy

    You’ve missed the point of the article. It wasn’t *just* about Cologne. It was about rape culture and the ongoing, daily rapes of women and girls around the world and the way in which we must live in fear as a result.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yes, young white middle class dudes who still live at home tend to be most enamoured with Anarchy.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I should really give myself a talking to…

  • Meghan Murphy

    Stu(pid): Trafficking and the ‘underground’ industry has grown in places that have legalized prostitution. Organized crime runs the red light district in Amsterdam. Try again.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thank you Jude! I was just about to post that link!

  • Meghan Murphy

    Hmm… The Nordic model is, specifically, about punishing men and protecting/decriminalizing women. So I guess you’re partially right? But perhaps you can explain why more exploitation happens in countries that have legalized?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Uhm, vampires, duh.

  • Claudia Manion

    The Quran promotes all that? Have you ever read the bible?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Explain this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Day_Parade_attacks

    (P.S. Thanks for the clicks!)

  • Meghan Murphy

    Well men are very good at murdering women all across the globe, so….

  • Seb Pyle

    Whats wrong with being white, and in Europe?

  • Congrats on making the “Stormfront or SJW” subreddit!

    • Meghan Murphy

      I have no idea what that is and I really don’t care. I do hope you all get lives someday, tho!

      • Here you go: reddit DOT com SLASH r SLASH StormfrontorSJW

        • Meghan Murphy

          I don’t understand why you think I or anyone else here cares about your stupid reddit forum?

  • Alan Kikely

    you are in a tiny minority of people that see marriage as public ownership / rape culture of woman. most couples see it as quite a healthy destination for their relationship and are quite happy to publicly show their devotion to each other in this form and western civilization will probably collapse without it. nobody on my side can really have a productive debate that will go anywhere on this because we disagree with this premise about how relationships work

    • Meghan Murphy

      Marriage is a patriarchal institution. I don’t care how many people support it. Public opinion is not always right. (See: Donald Trump.)

  • Meghan Murphy

    Ya, Willie Pickton was a real gentleman.

  • Meghan Murphy

    My doggy is very sweet and quiet!

    • Alienigena

      I am sure he or she is. But as someone who is sensitive to noise, has a chronic illness (asthma) that already routinely deprives me of sleep (because of intermittent problems breathing at night despite taking routine medication), I am at the point where I would like to go live in a cabin in the woods for a few months (sans internet, traffic noise, etc.). But not one conceived of by someone like Joss Whedon.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Oh, do you and Cam have book deals we don’t know about? Do you run Canada’s leading feminist website? Sorry ur only relevant in MRA forums on reddit, bud 🙁

  • Meghan Murphy

    Do you sometimes wish you had real friends?

    • Carl Marcks

      You can’t wish for something you already have. Nice try. 😉

      • Meghan Murphy

        Your mom doesn’t count.

        • Carl Marcks

          Yeah, but yours does.

          • Meghan Murphy

            Honest question: Do you have a date for prom?

  • Meghan Murphy

    “Men” ≠ “society and community”

    • Alan Kikely

      I know, family is needed though

      • Meghan Murphy

        Oh good lord. People have families regardless of marriage.

        • Alan Kikely

          so you support cohesive family units but think marriage is an oppressive patriarchal institution..

          • Meghan Murphy

            I support human beings. Women, in particular. Back to the Christianity forum with you.

          • Alan Kikely

            Good stuff – back to tinder and childlessness with you!

          • Meghan Murphy

            As if I use Tinder.

          • Cassandra

            And as if “childlessness” is something bad.

          • Meghan Murphy

            Seriously. Funny he assumes we desire marriage and children…?

  • Tera

    Selling point?? Another comment from another man stating that if not for the prostitution of women, more non prostituted women can expect to be raped. You don’t see this as a problem coming from INSIDE the house? You do not see the irony in statements like yours? The problem is you, men. YOU. Your sense of entitlement to women above all else. YOU are what is wrong.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Who cares what is ‘worse’ than _____. Trafficking is a global problem and is intricately connected to imperialism and colonialism. How are you gonna ignore that? Is trafficking just not that bad, to you?

  • Tera

    Funny how it’s not considered political incorrectness to blame women for their own sexual assaults. It seems political correctness has a hierarchy, and women are at the bottom, but this of course has nothing to do with ‘sexism’…hmmm ok.

  • Stu

    You have failed to present a coherent stream of thought on the subject. From the outset you are invoking rape and rapists for no reason. I never argued that prostitution should be legal as a solution to lowering rape. I recognize that it does have the symptom of doing just that but that isn’t the issue I keep raising.

    Legalization PROTECTS WOMEN that work in the sex industry. Why do you refuse accept that FACT. You claim there is no way to make the sex industry safe but then omit the bigger problem that there is also no way to abolish the sex industry. That leaves you with the problem of how do you make something you can’t stop SAFER. You seem to be tossing the safety and well being of real women under the bus to argue for unrealistic fantasies.

    I have stated that legalization and regulation is the best solution to protect women in the sex industry and asked for anyone to name a single policy that has been successfully implemented that does a better job of meeting those goals. No one can do it because the fact is legalization and regulation is the best solution if you have the safety of women as a concern.

    It’s a really fucked up world we live in when feminists care more about punishing men by sacrificing women than actually saving those women.

    • Meghan Murphy

      Just typing the word, “FACT,” in caps doesn’t actually make something a fact, Stuey. Also, ignoring the actual facts does not make for a convincing argument.

    • Melanie

      “I never argued that prostitution should be legal as a solution to
      lowering rape. I recognize that it does have the symptom of doing just
      that … “.

      You did say that. And you just said it again right there. You think that a solution to violent, misogynistic, rapist men attacking women is to give them access to legal indoor brothels (which are not safe or well regulated) for vulnerable, socially and economically disadvantaged and trafficked women to deal with. Then you ask me to see you as humane and respectful towards women.

      • Tera

        Yes, he did say just that loud and clear. It’s a common theme among men who want complete, unquestioned access to vulnerable prostituted women. Pretty fucking scary isn’t it? They are self admitted rapists, their own words give them away every time.

    • Cassandra

      Legalization ramps up the demand for paid rape (prostitution). The vast majority of the women in prostitution are very, very young. They are girls. Men pay to rape young girls. There is no legalization in the world that PROTECTS GIRLS from this fact. Why do you refuse to accept this FACT?

  • Alienigena

    And the mainstream press is known for its independence, courage and investigative journalism? Not really, not recently. Remember the so-called WMDs in Iraq? The mainstream press bought that load of hooey unquestioningly. Mainstream journalists who work for commercial media companies just seem to be PR hacks in waiting. I mean much of what they call news, they don’t even write. They rely on corporate or government press releases and they don’t do any analysis at all. Investigative journalism takes a long time, and doesn’t offer immediate gratification. Even conservatives argue that mainstream media often gets things terribly wrong.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/our-american-pravda/

    The financial crisis reporting.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2011/dec/14/financial-crisis-national-newspapers

    The identity of the Boston bomber. Many mainstream media outlets contacted Sunil Tripathi’s (a depressed young man who had been missing for a few weeks prior to the bombing) family (inundated them with requests, innuendo and accusations) in the aftermath of the bombing. What did they think connected a very depressed person to the bombing? Depressed people stay in bed all day. They don’t have the energy to plot bombings or carry them out. That is really the territory of ‘murderously angry’ men.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/us/mass-murderers-fit-profile-as-do-many-others-who-dont-kill.html?_r=0

    Mass shooters … “have a history of frustration … They externalize
    blame. Nothing is ever their fault. They blame other people even if
    other people aren’t to blame. They see themselves as good guys
    mistreated by others.”

    As this Time article points out “Terrorists and Mass Shooters: More Similar Than We Thought”.

    http://ideas.time.com/2013/04/23/terrorists-and-mass-shooters-more-similar-than-we-thought/

    Sunil had been dead for about a month when the bombings occurred but he was identified as a potential bomber. The mainstream media never apologized to his family for their demonization of him. Journalists from AP, CNN, Bloomberg, Reuters all repeated rumors started on social media.

    http://www.cjr.org/analysis/sunil_tripathi_was_already_dead.php

    The mainstream media gets it wrong, a lot of the time.

  • Meghan Murphy

    But this is my job!

  • Meghan Murphy
  • Meghan Murphy

    Oh goody!

  • Meghan Murphy

    Trafficking is rampant in countries that have legalized. Look it up.

  • Meghan Murphy

    The UN and Amnesty took advice from pimps. Do you think pimps should be dictating prostitution legislation?

  • Meghan Murphy

    That is absolutely untrue. Here’s some info about how things work under legalization: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/02/flesh-for-sale/

  • Meghan Murphy

    Please stop just repeating the same myths over and over again. It’s boring and annoying.

  • Meghan Murphy

    “Honest question: Are we done trolling each other? Do you want to actually have a reasoned discussion of the points you made in the article?”

    Hmm no. Because I really don’t care what you think.

  • Tangelo

    Oh my gawd, I am laughing so hard. Where are these little men coming from, The Onion?

    • Meghan Murphy

      It’s amazing, isn’t it?

  • Tangelo

    I thought it was men who were raping children in Rotherham. Not cat ladies.

  • Tangelo

    But the rapists were men.

  • Meghan Murphy

    It’s incredible how badly these dudes want to miss the point, eh?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Are you actually attempting to claim that white men are victims of racial profiling?? Good lord, what planet do you loons come from?

    • KR

      Dear Meghan, my first time on this forum but should not bother to continue this further, because you really seem to catch to the unessentials as a rule on your comments, avoiding systematically intellectual, fact based discussion, throwing lowbrow one-liners instead. Please read my text again and then compare my arguments against Mr. Jackson’s, paying less attention to my sarkasm towars his prejudiced racial view to cast the blame elsewhere.

      • Meghan Murphy

        Nope.

  • Meghan Murphy

    It appears that all these dudes don’t actually believe white supremacy exists and that, beyond that, white men are the real victims of racism! The spaceship from Bizarro World has landed!

    • Deshaunte Jackson

      Lol, they think that Western countries are for “white” people. Wrong, the West is for all races, “whites” the least. I’d laugh and say that they’ll soon be minorities, but no “white race” actually exists.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I think the idea that men should be accompanied by a woman if they need to leave the house is a good idea. Certainly that would cut down on all these rapes, eh?

    • Ankylus

      Cute. Please answer at least one of my questions.

      • Meghan Murphy

        Naw.

  • Meghan Murphy

    In the West, women are oppressed through porn culture and the male gaze. It’s very convenient how you all avoid that reality in order to obsess over “Burqas.”

    • Dantes

      Porn culture and male gaze??? How many male gazes have put fingers on every orifice during New Years Eve, babe.

      You are harshing the feminist mellow, dudette.

      • Meghan Murphy

        How do you think objectification and patriarchy work, sweetie?

  • Meghan Murphy

    I guess you’re partially right, seeing as European men were the first immigrants…

    • yourfriend

      Did mob sexual assaults decrease or increase with the influx of immigrants? Did these mob sexual assaults already take place in the countries where the immigrants came from? Why don’t you think the answers to these questions matter?

  • Meghan Murphy

    lol

  • Meghan Murphy

    Totally. It’s like that joke has come to life in this very comment section! You gotta love how perfectly they’ve proven how fragile, dramatic, and humourless they really are! They clearly be trusted with important decisions or positions, they’re just too emotional and irrational, amirite?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Go back to your cave In Texas or wherever all you weirdo Trump lovers came from. Good lord these comments make me glad I live in Canada…

  • Meghan Murphy

    So what you’re saying is that you believe rape is equivalent to choosing to read something to disagree with online? Like you feel as though this post has sexually violated you in a way that is intricately connected to your subordinate status in society and now you will be forced to live in fear as a result?

  • Meghan Murphy

    German men are trying to do more for women’s rights than feminists? By, what, paying to rape women in brothels?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Glad to see you’ve resorted to the same techniques you use on your mom, Stuey. Boy oh boy is she gonna be relieved when you finally graduate and move out!

  • Tangelo

    Legalization is only beneficial to pimps and johns. Scum of the earth.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Why because you were so on board with our movement until just now? COOOOME BAAAACK STU!

  • Meghan Murphy

    My bf laughed really hard at all your guys’ comments, Steve. You are a laughing stock. Keep it up tho, it’s entertaining af.

  • Meghan Murphy

    What’s now known as “Canada” and “America,” dimwit.

  • Tangelo

    Were the rapists not men?

  • Meghan Murphy

    So the grownups can talk.

    • Carl Marcks

      Ah…the grownups that conveniently always seem to agree with you. No, those aren’t grownups, those are yes-men. You don’t even know my positions. Why are you so certain that they’re not just as well thought out and nuanced as your own? And as I recall, you, a “grownup” started insulting me like a sassy teenager when I merely explained what the topic of this disqus thread was.

      • Meghan Murphy

        None of us are interested in wasting our time arguing with MRA, gun-loving, right-wing, racism-denying freaks. It’s not our job. I’ve been allowing all these nutso comments on this particular post, which I wouldn’t normally do, in order to show the world how nuts you all are.

  • Tangelo

    You’re safe, being younger and stronger. But elderly men have been reported to rape women in retirement homes. Sadly, no situation where men are present is completely safe for women.

  • Meghan Murphy
  • Meghan Murphy

    Who do you think it is that is responsible for beating and killing prostituted women, tobydelamo? (Spoiler: It’s johns.)

  • Meghan Murphy

    Dude. You are the one who said “It isn’t a male problem, it’s an immigrant problem.” We are talking about a global epidemic, here. Sexual assault does not only exist in Germany.

    European men came to what is now known as Canada and put Indigenous women in brothels. There were zero European women with them at the time. They took (forced) Indigenous women as their “wives.”

    • BozoerRebbe

      There were no indigenous people in the Americas. As was pointed out above, there were people from other places than Siberia, but the Siberian-Americans wiped them all out because they had an advanced military technology – a superior spearpoint.

      FWIW, “native” North American tribes waged wars and took both male and female slaves.

      It’s almost humorous the way you’ve embraced the noble savage myth, the product of a dead white European guy named Rousseau.

      • Meghan Murphy
        • richard40

          As far as canadian prostitution goes, before europeans came there was not that much of a free market of any kind, for anything (isn’t prostitution called the oldest profession?). You dont get much prostitution in tribal societies because women belong to the tribe, or their family, rather than to themselves.

          • Meghan Murphy

            The oldest ‘profession’ is farming. And yes, prostitution didn’t exist before Europeans came because those cultures were not patriarchal, capitalist, oppressive cultures.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Seriously. Y’all are mixing up the pro-dude liberal feminists with us. Read the site a bit before saying silly things.

    • Cassandra

      It really is funny reading these comments from the cry babies. Such hopeless idea salads. Here’s a clue dudes: Liberal feminism is what’s popular today. Also called Intersectional feminism or Third Wave feminism. While there are bits and pieces of it that are worthwhile it is mostly a massive poop on the floor and its original insights have been corrupted beyond redemption, case in point being the fact that *you* guys, you MRA buffoons, are defending “sex work” as “choice.” This is the odious fallout of empowerfulizing liberal feminism.

      You’re on a Radical feminist blog little boys. Radical feminism is actually a specific way of analyzing female oppression that names the problem; male oppression of females via our sexed bodies—mainly sexual violence, rape and pregnancy/forced gestation and birth, marriage and the nuclear family, prostitution and pornography—i.e., male control, exploitation and abuse of the female reproductive system and labor. Radical feminism is about the liberation of females from patriarchal oppression, and we don’t give any dudes any passes, no matter where they fall on the political spectrum. At least learn some 101 stuff before you make such fools of yourselves.

      • Meghan Murphy

        So many of these imbeciles have called me a “third wave feminist” in recent days. It’s like they’re trying to show me how absolutely clueless they are about feminism.

        • Sabine

          Well, they’re succeeding!!

  • Cassandra

    Agree.

  • Strelnikov

    Grow up, Meghan.

    • Meghan Murphy

      YOU’RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!

  • Cassandra

    No, they aren’t there by choice. They are not there by choice.

  • Cassandra

    “Listen young lady.” Okay, Dad.

    • radwonka

      Lol 😀

  • Cassandra

    “Sex work” doesn’t empower women. Real feminists don’t think that.

  • Cassandra

    She does not look like a fool. You do.

  • Alan Kikely

    no

  • SJEqualizer

    So a strong, empowered, independent woman is not allowed to make a decision to be a professional hooker?

    • Tangelo

      Men should not be allowed to buy a pass to rape women and children.

    • Cassandra

      You do realize you’re spewing liberal feminism, right?

  • Meghan Murphy

    I would never normally let this garbage through. I am doing so now to show how repulsive and crazy these dudes are.

    • Hierophant2

      I am surprised by the equal parts of sexism and racism. I thought it would be mostly sexism.

      • Meghan Murphy

        Me too! I expected the MRAs… I did not expect all the racists! You live you learn, I guess…

        • Cassandra

          MRAs and racism go hand in hand.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Who do we blame for rape culture on North American campuses?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Tell me, what ethnicity/religion was Willie Pickton?

    • richard40

      Were there gangs of 1000 Willie Picktons raping women en mass, like the Muslims did, I dont think so. Willie Pickton is more in a class with Bill Clinton, one warped individual not representing a culture.

      • Meghan Murphy

        Pickton murdered a great number of Indigenous women. So have many other johns. You don’t see this as a problem on par with what happened in Cologne? Why?

        • richard40

          No really, there are individual criminals in every culture. As far as rape goes there have been plenty of cases of women raping young male children. But Cologne is more than just a few criminals, it is an entire large mob, driven by a toxic culture. Islam.

          • Meghan Murphy

            Patriarchy isn’t just about “criminals,” it’s about systemic oppression.

  • Carl Marcks

    Well, it’s not the fact that they’re Muslim that caused this. It’s because they have different cultural values than those of Europe. And their culture does not value women. What you have understand is that it is not their race or religion that led to what happened in Cologne, but rather their culture.What feminists have to understand is that it is not because they were men, it was because of their culture, which taught them to disregard women.

    • Jude

      Ahhhh, you were so close. Women don’t usually rape-attack each other, you know? It’s not only culture. There’s another part… to… it….

      • Carl Marcks

        Well, consider the fact that most women aren’t sexual attracted to other women, it’s none too surprising that women don’t rape women that often.

        • Meghan Murphy

          Byeeeeeeee!

  • Cassandra

    I would suggest you do some reading about what white men have done to the women in the lands they’ve invaded over the last few hundred years and then get back to us on that “immigrant” problem. Yes, they’re coming from an extremely misogynist culture, but all you MRA babies are purposely missing the point that these men aren’t really that different from all men, all over the world. They did it in public in roving gangs. Other men do it more stealthily and pay per rape via prostitution and waking off to violent porn. It’s the same thing.

  • Cassandra

    Yes, pointing out that there’s a problem with male violence is a “war on men.” You guys are so silly.

  • richard40

    Not darker skinned men, dont bring in the race card. There are Muslims of every color and ethnicity, so dont lie and say attacking Muslims is racist, it is not, it might be charachterized as religious prejudice, but definitely not racism. And we dont see darker skinned Chinese, Japanese, and Mexican, or for that matter white men, raping women in large 1000 man groups.
    And yes all men rape occasionally, but these Muslim immigrants are about 10 more times likely to do it per capita, because their culture approves of it, saying any woman who is not properly covered, and with a man, is asking for it. They also have huge rape rates in majority Muslim nations, and the only thing keeping it from being even higher there is most women wont dare go out alone without being totally covered or with a male relative.

  • Jude

    You wouldn’t have the internet without the woman who invented programming, genius.

  • Cassandra

    These guys are totally obsessed with burkhas. I wonder how many times that word is in this thread? It’s the like knee-jerk reaction from dudebros of every stripe. “We COULD be making you wear a burkha!” They really don’t understand that burkhas and porn culture are different sides of the same coin.

    • Meghan Murphy

      Of course they are! Saying “BURQA BURQA BURQA” over and over again allows them to pretend patriarchy doesn’t exist anywhere except “over there.”

    • Jude

      They’re afraid of burkhas because they take away their “right” to ogle. It’s their worst nightmare, that’s why they’re obsessed with it. It’s about them.

  • Ralph Wiggum

    You realize all of those men that were molesting and robbing those women at those New Years celebrations in Europe were Muslim immigrants that treat women like property and live and breathe rape culture? Read a few news stories before you open your ignorant mouth. I’m not a racist, I’m a realist…and I hope one of those misunderstood migrants gets a thumb in your mothers’ asshole next time she walks outside without a Burqa and they make her marry him. Then you’ll change your tune.

    • Meghan Murphy

      How do you explain Willie Pickton?

      • Ralph Wiggum

        He’s from BC.

        • Meghan Murphy

          Yessss…. And not a “Muslim immigrant.” So what then? #notallwhitemen?

  • radwonka

    No one said that it excused what happened. Try again.

    • Meghan Murphy

      Seriously. I don’t think anyone here has or would excuse what happened?!?!

      • radwonka

        Indeed, it’s just a straw man.

  • radwonka

    The point is: germans are also misogynists. The point is: misogyny doesn’t have a nation or a race.
    The point is: germans do abuse too (rape trafficking). And they don’t want to stop the misogyny, they want to blame an entire race meanwhile being anti-women themselves. It’s just hypocrisy.

    Nothing about them is feminists or pro women. It’s just plain racism.


    they want to protect their people”

    Nope, if these people had paid prostitutes you would NOT see germans whine, in other words, they’re just being racists and misogynists.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Patriarchy doesn’t exist?

  • Meghan Murphy

    lol. Ya you sound like a real big feminist, Ralphy. You’re banned now — happy?

  • Meghan Murphy

    How do you explain domestic abuse, rape, and trafficking?

  • MtlGuy

    At first I couldn’t tell if this piece was simply intended to be deliberately provocative or if it was to prompt a rebuttal against collective punishment to draw attention to the hypocrisy of condemning a curfew against all men and the trend of blaming the recent migrants en masse.

    Sexual violence isn’t a phenomenon exclusive to any one group. Woodstock ’99 comes to mind as an instance in which there were sexual assaults and rapes in a crowd that would have had few if any migrants or refugees attending. Given that around one million people have come to Germany this year one cannot say that most of the migrants/refugees are at fault. However it’s fair to say that of those who were committing sexual assaults and rape on NYE in Cologne, the majority of them were reported to be migrants/refugees just as those who were committing sexual assaults and rapes at Woodstock ’99 were caucasian. Whether it was Woodstock or Cologne, the majority of the men attending did not participate in rape or sexual assaults. Proposing a policy that violates the liberties of all men regardless of their conduct is not an appropriate response. This is ‘shock jock’ feminism. Provocative, but unproductive in coming up with actionable solutions.

  • radwonka


    NOT identify the perpetrators in Europe while the commenters are dong just that”

    Rapists don’t have a race. 99% of them are men though.

  • Alienigena

    I parodied Bill and Hilary Clinton in a web fiction a little after the Lewinsky scandal. Pattern of behaviour speaks volumes and Bill Clinton seemed to have no respect for women, especially female underlings. I think liberal feminists (not all but too many) sided with Bill Clinton because they are people who side with other people who have power. I have never been one to side with the powerful. I remember locating the articles on the topic and identifying the liberal feminists associated with public support of Clinton. I was not too surprised by their comments though they did make me angry.

    Independent article on feminist response to Lewinsky scandal.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/how-bill-clinton-neutered-the-feminist-movement-1154350.html

    I find many women way too suck uppy re: men, especially powerful men. I found that I don’t share the fondness for men or their antics that far too many women are willing to put up with when I volunteered with a feminist film festival (issues around who should be able to sit on programming committees amongst others). I mean I don’t get the need to appease men (not lesbian or a committed heterosexual, mainly, I am idealistic misanthrope) or humour them. Men didn’t even really care about our festival and they were never going to be its main supporters, why make the effort?

    Men were keen to criticize us publicly when we screened things they didn’t like. Notably no trans women came to our defense even though we had a
    transgendered program in the festival in the early 2000s every year until the death of the
    festival. “Watching Lesbian Porn” was one film that raised the ire of local radio hosts, but was more of interpretive dance piece that featured two fully clothed women leaping / dancing.

    As Megan points out frequently liberal feminists (the group that disavowed Clinton’s accusers) are not a group that most people on this site identify with. This is a radical feminist site. I leave it to the site’s owner to explain what that is. Or not.

  • TeLin特林

    Yes I’m aware that women are now being restricted by law. It’s bs.

  • Lucy Charms

    And some women rape, too, just FYI. Punishing a larger group for actions of some is not good policy. The way forward is to increase accountability for those that do wrong, regardless of gender or race.

    • Meghan Murphy

      The exception doesn’t make the rule

    • Lavender

      “The way forward is to increase accountability for those that do wrong, regardless of gender or race.”

      Considering that over 90% of violence against women is committed by men, and taking your advice that we should hold those responsible accountable, it follows that in dealing with the problem we would indeed be holding one sex accountable since they are almost exclusively responsible for it.

      On the one hand you say you want justice for the victims while on the other you say we should obscure the identity of the perpetrators. Why are you trying to protect the very people you say should be brought to account? It’s tempting to bring race into it to try to confuse the matter but ultimately male violence is the biggest force of terrorism on the planet. Failing to identify those responsible will do nothing to protect or liberate women. Name the problem.

  • Meghan Murphy

    The idea that men should be accompanied by a female if they must leave the house at night has been bandied around too…

  • Meghan Murphy

    PLEASE EDUCATE US GREAT LEADER! (P.S. That was amusing for a while but you’re banned now. Happy screaming into the ether.)

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yet all the whiny dudes coming here to yell about how this isn’t a ‘male problem’ are saying rape culture suddenly came to Germany via “dark-skinned men” and “Arabs”…

  • Meghan Murphy

    Ha. He and every other man I know have found you guys to be a hilarious source of entertainment.

  • Meghan Murphy

    ha

  • Meghan Murphy

    “I LOVE WOMEN YOU STUPID WHORES!”

  • marv

    Few persons are inclined to participate in the revolutionary mission to level uneven political ground especially when it comes to the power disparities between human animals and animals (steak).

  • Lavender

    I’ve been practicing Kung Fu for a year and a bit and it’s one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. Not all women can afford it or have access to self-defense or martial arts classes, unfortunately (I think they should be subsidized!). While it may not protect us from injury (especially if there are weapons involved), the sense of confidence and awareness you gain is priceless. When I think back to men who’ve assaulted and harassed me before I practiced, I can say without a doubt I would have dealt with those situations much more successfully had I known what I know now. When there’s a creeper in my vicinity I don’t feel intimidated and I hope it shows. It’s great exercise, a good way to meet people, and it’s fun kicking the shit out of male sparring partners. LOL

  • Mmm. I agree, polar bear, that there should be a limit on how many can be together at any one time, good thinking. You’re more generous than than I am, though — 3 together constitutes a gang. I’d say two maybe. that’s it, though.

  • Lavender

    Can we talk about how many discoveries and advancements were actually made by women whose identities were erased and whose accomplishments were appropriated by jealous, bitter men like yourself?

    Can we talk about all of the unpaid, unforgiving, and downright life-threatening female labour that birthed, raised, and supported men who have such unmitigated contempt for us that they actually use the exclusion of women as a rationalization for our oppression? If men hadn’t monopolized gainful employment in industry and academia, women would have left you knuckle dragging mouthbreathers in the dust. You’re just running scared because you know deep down that your own sense of entitlement and supremacy is a house of cards. Get over yourselves already.

  • Hierophant2

    So wait, if Muslim is not a race, and all these morons are not being racist… then how the hell did they “know” all these rapists men were Muslim in the first place?? Did they take a census of their religion themselves? Were they all wearing male burkas? (brokas)

    Racists be stupid.

    • Meghan Murphy

      You got that right.

      • Channel0

        I don’t get why you think the fact that all the agressors were men is revelant, but not the fact that they were practically all arabic or african.

        So you can generalize to every human being of a gender, but not a specific part of it who statistically is more agressive towards women?

        • Meghan Murphy

          Why DON’T you think it’s relevant that they were all men?

  • Cassandra

    It’s not consensual. It’s rape. Access to the interior of a human body/orifice should not be for sale in a humane world. It is slavery. It is brutal, sadistic exploitation.

  • MtlGuy

    You’ll get no argument from me against condemning the authorities response which was to the effect of ‘here are some things you can do to try harder to not get sexually assaulted’. No one deserves to be the victim of a crime. The responsibility for a criminal act lies with the criminal who committed it.

    In Canada, where I live, the law states that one’s sexual history cannot be used to cross-examine rape complainants. I don’t know where you live, but if the law doesn’t protect rape complainants, that’s certainly legislation worth changing.

    If one was suggesting imposing a curfew on convicted rapists, that would be another matter not unlike the kinds of restrictions imposed on convicted pedophiles (not allowed in children’s parks, etc). Restricting the liberties of others who have not committed a crime is not a solution. There is no justice in responding to an injustice with another injustice.

    Why cant I stay home after dark? Here’s a sample: My dog needs to take a piss. I have to get to and or from work. My pregnant wife has a craving for something not in the fridge or pantry. There’s an emergency, I have to run an errand and I worked all day, the sun sets closer to 5pm in winter… but most importantly, I’ve done nothing wrong to be treated like a criminal.

    • Meghan Murphy

      I think what you’re not understanding is that many women are too afraid to take their dogs out at night alone or travel to and from work alone at night. We have an unofficial curfew placed on us already.

  • Meghan Murphy

    He assumes that because you aren’t a virulent misogynist you must be a woman. That says a lot about him, eh?

    • Hierophant2

      They do that a lot, even on my blog where my (man’s) name is prominently displayed. They usually shut up when I tell them I’m a guy. An occasionally moron will stay long enough to call me aq white knight or some stupidity like that, but they usually can’t handle it.

      But yea, your point is well taken. Again, they hate men, even though they pretend they don’t. It’s pretty funny.

  • Cate

    Well, we don’t hate white men, or even men in general. And I’m familiar with the issues, at least from a French perspective.
    Perhaps what is needed is an acculturation period for immigrants. Classes, information and teaching about the different expectations. Muslims are taught that men cannot control themselves, which is why women are so carefully guarded. Europeans know that men can, mostly, control their sex drives. Has anyone tried to teach these testosterone bedeviled young men what the expectation is if they plan to remain in European society? Given them constructive ways to be productive and helpful?

    • Morag999

      I have seen a lot of this around lately. The idea that young Muslim/migrant men have to be taken under the wing, the poor dears, and taught how to be civilized, and how not to sexually assault and rob women. This idea that these attackers and rapists aren’t really grown men, but badly-behaved BABIES walking around in adult, male bodies.

      Good grief! For all the talk about nationalism and racism on the Right, it’s the Leftists who are tying themselves into knots so that they do not APPEAR to be racist. “Quick! Say something about the misogyny of German men, lest they think we’re saying that brown men are born bad!”

      It’s a ridiculous conversation, each side showing rank hypocrisy. It’s two sides, each anxious about race/religion in its own way, having it out OVER the bodies and voices of the women who were victimized.

      Women have a right to name their attackers, to talk openly and specifically about what happened to them, and by whom, without having to put the proper political frame around their own narratives or to edit themselves appease the Left or the Right. Or be warned against of “fuelling” the energies of dangerous, regressive elements in their societies. As if women had the power to control male politicking! Oh, but they can sure be blamed! Certain men are pointing at the women who’ve been targeted for public abuse and violations and saying, more of less, “now look what you’ve done!”

      This is just sickening.

      Oh, and by the way: these men did not “lose control” of themselves, sexually or otherwise. The police, the reporters, the politicians, they all seem to agree that these attacks on women were planned, that they were highly co-ordinated, and that they were repeated in several European cities and towns where European girls and women experienced sexual assaults and rapes at public events.

      In other words, this is a pattern, and, yes, it is particular. Women have right — no, a DUTY to themselves — to name that pattern and to defend themselves against it.

  • Cate

    I wondered about this myself…a pink triangle is a cute idea…

  • Cassandra

    Another birdcall of species MRA: “It wasn’t rape! The woman just regretted it!” Do you have any idea how moronic you sound when you consider how women are treated when they do report rape?

  • Cassandra

    Oh, da misandry!! Teh menz are so oppressed. The widdle biddy 16-year-old babies who are mad that they’re not having sex with a cheerleader are out in force.

  • Cassandra

    MRA playbook/birdcall #3: “You aren’t rational. I am! I am rational! Watch me ration!” The rational is just overflowing. And the vast majority of men do not protect women.

  • Cassandra

    Sex is not a need. Sex is not a right. Sex is a want. Sex is a privilege. It is a human rights violation to use women as subhuman fucktoilets/pay to rape them. Men should not have ANY option to have sex with a women unless it’s fully consensual, and prostitution is not consensual. If you have to pay a woman (usually underage, so really a girl) for sex, that means the sex is unwanted. Unwanted sex = rape.

  • Sine FourEx

    “they’re trying to politicize rape” As far as I know the number of reported rapes is still low, 2?

    Rape is only a crime in Germany if sexual coercion is carried out:
    1. by force;
    2. by threat of imminent danger to life or limb; or
    3. by exploiting a situation in which the victim is unprotected and at the mercy of the offender.

    “Consent” is irrelevant in German law. Angela Merkel’s office has resisted including a “consent” requirement in the definition of rape. It still remains to be seen if the reported rapes meet the strict requirements of German law, and the strict requirements that MRAs require to verify it is not a false allegation.

    Unwanted sexual touching is not generally punishable as sexual assault. The reports of 100’s of sexual assaults is misleading, most of these actions were probably quite legal, regardless of how the victim feels. The initial low number of reports (~100) compared to the current number (>600) is an indication that women accept that sexual touching occurs and, legally, there is nothing they can do about it.

    Although men are ranting about rape and sexual assault perpetrated by Muslims against white girls, they ignore the glaringly obvious, both legal in Germany.

  • Trods

    Within two words you lost all credibility…

  • Hierophant2

    Love the gay men… but no. No exceptions…

  • Hierophant2

    I think it’s time for men to man up and respect women.

  • radwonka

    you think what you just said was original and pertinent? because it is not: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

  • Lucia Lola

    Can we get this highlighted in some way? Maybe in a bigger font? Maybe as a go away poster from this article? Maybe?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Are you concerned the population will decline, leading humans to go extinct, Alan?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Someone should warn my publisher!

  • Meghan Murphy

    So what you’re saying is that all the racist MRAs screaming about this post aren’t worth taking seriously? Agree!

  • Curiosity

    A curfew for men is an interesting idea, though I would love to see an article about a hypothetical feminist utopia. How would you shape a society if you had complete freedom, Meghan?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yeah all those European colonizers were real sweethearts.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Good lord you people really are delusional, aren’t you?

  • Meghan Murphy

    You can say you’re a feminist till the cows come home, but no one here is stupid enough to believe you.

  • Sabine

    Yeah, when bringing more children into a war-torn, environmentally wrecked world of violence, inequality and general fucked-upness isn’t selfish at all! N

    • Alan Kikely

      the world always has and always will be a tough place to live in, when there was an ice age our ancestors didn’t say “oh well guess its getting pretty cold so we should just give up now”, which is why we’re still here

      • Sabine

        What exactly is it you believe human beings are actually achieving by “not giving up?” You are aware that this is a radical feminist site, yeah? This ain’t bible belt country, mate. Go preach to some other ‘sinners’ who aren’t fulfilling their fundamentalist Christian duty to propogate at all costs. Can’t afford to give a child a decent life so choose not to have one even though you’d like to? SELFISH! Don’t want to subject another innocent wee bairn to the horrors of a world drowning in toxic masculinity and the results of male dominance? SO SELFISH!! A woman who dares believe there might be more to life than popping out babies? CHOKE! SPLUTTER! Seriously dude. Go away.

        • Alan Kikely

          I’m not and never have been a Christian or any other type of religion, but what makes those sorts of people happy and successful is that they can devote their lives to something that propagates and drives their genetics and culture forward, whether its actually true or not doesn;t really matter because it works.

          Believing in nothing and having no kids ensures that you are a genetic dead-end and that your sphere of influence is severely restricted, and even though logically there’s a good chance that the galaxy will explode or something making all of this meaningless in the long-run, we have nothing else to hope for other than our species will do some incredible things in the future long after we’re dead.

          I get a lot of what you’re saying but we have different perspectives and fundamental desires for the direction in which we want the whole of humankind to go which I don’t think we’ll reconcile

  • Sabine

    Oh. My. God.

  • Deshaunte Jackson

    Or… maybe she’s been to college and knows that your dumb white opinions don’t matter? Educated opinions matter, not dumb white male anger. If you hold the kind of opinion that thinks “white people” even exist, you are a racist and mentally ill. Sorry.

  • Deshaunte Jackson

    The first thing we need to do is make the “white race” minorities in the countries they erroneously think “belong” to them (as if any chunk of land belongs to anyone). Then “white women” will interbreed with men of color or will be with other women and not procreate. This is what the white racists fear the most, and it needs to be done. As Noel Ignatiev said, treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity.

    I need all radical white womyn to take part and celebrate the destruction of white “civilization”!!!

    • Melissa Cutler

      Y’mean, controlling women’s bodies and reproduction as a political instrument? WHAT AN ORIGINAL IDEA, DESHAUNTE!

      • Deshaunte Jackson

        I am not talking about controlling anyone, omg. Take it easy you, sistas! I am arguing that white female bodies will liberate themselves from white supremacy. Some will pursue a queer lifestyle. The rest will prefer men of color to the hypocritical and oppressive white male. Either way, less white babies = less white supremacy. Radical anti-racist feminism is a very important tool in this way, y’all!

        • Jude

          This is some white fratbro trolling, IMO.

  • Copyright101

    Culture and race are highly correlated. It’s pointless to argue otherwise.

  • Meghan Murphy

    But you do?? You who is pretending as though prostitution is a liberating “job” for women?? Please shut up.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I see you’ve stopped even pretending to try to make sense?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Ah yes. It was your shit that got us the vote back in 1918. (You’re not a nutbar MRA tho, right?)

  • Meghan Murphy

    As Canadians and as women who were part of the fight to get Bill C-36 passed and, personally, as a person who’s written extensively about prostitution law, over years, we know how the law works, thanks. Stop trolling or I’ll just ban you. This is an incredible waste of everyone’s time.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Ok, Stu. We’ve had our fun. You are clearly not intelligent enough to understand what the grownups are talking about. Bye now.

  • Cassandra

    LOL. How in the world would you know why any given woman doesn’t have children? Being involved with a man who may become abusive, which does happen, years later, even when you think you “know” him is a terrifying thought to me. Add children to that equation and, well, it’s a very dangerous position to be in. It was and is my number one fear and has been since I realized when I was very young what an incredibly raw, shitty deal marriage and children so often is for women.

    Some women have children. Some don’t. But the possibility of bringing a female child into this cesspool of a patriarchy—nope. I won’t have that blood on my hands.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Indeed.

  • Meghan Murphy

    There are more than enough babies in this world… I’m really not sure what it is you’re worried about…

    • Alan Kikely

      I don’t want to see my people in decline during my lifetime – it might be a weird male thing

      • Meghan Murphy

        What does “my people” mean?

        • Alan Kikely

          the unique group of people that evolved in this part of the world that I’m living in

  • Meghan Murphy

    ha

  • Meghan Murphy

    Well, I think that is, indeed, what these men are saying. That because there are cultures that are more misogynistic/patriarchal in some ways, the more “moderate” misogynists should be given a pass… Naturally these men don’t see porn culture and the existence/normalization of prostitution as misogynistic at all…

  • Meghan Murphy

    Germany’s “cultural values” are, apparently, flatrate brothels and a culture that glamorizes/idealizes pimps. But, yeah, let’s focus all our energy on “Muslims”…

  • Deshaunte Jackson

    I’m not saying instruct anyone. I am saying white feminists will prefer diversity to white supremacy. This is the anti-racist strength of feminism, the death of the white family. End white patriarchy.

  • Cassandra

    Males are so sadly predictable, huh?

  • Taniwhai

    Hierophant, you might not be aware, but in parts of the Islamic world, by law you must be Muslim if you are of a certain ethnicity, eg its against the law for a Malay to not be a Muslim in Malaysia. Also, given that the middle east and North Africa are predominantly Muslim, assuming that large crowds of men from the region are Muslim is not unreasonable.

  • Ember1

    Just be sure that the curfew includes internet connections…

  • marv

    Christian women, porn models and sex workers often make a similar claim about empowerment. I don’t believe everything they tell us. Patriarchy is more influential on our identities than we admit.

  • Tiina Wiik

    Are you serious? This isn’t a male problem. Were it a male problem, that kind of rape mob wouldn’t even make news because it’d happen every time people gathered together in some European town. It’s a migrant problem. They stalk women at public pools, harass them on the street, harass and rape children and have brought entirely new crime types here. I only remember one story about a drunken man being removed from a public pool, and that was sometime in the late 90’s. Now there’s trouble every day. A pool in the neighboring town just banned asylum seekers because they constantly harassed women there. Isn’t it weird we didn’t have this problem before, considering this is supposed to be about men, not muslims?

    • Meghan Murphy

      Were men not the perpetrators? Do Western men never stalk, street harass, or rape women and girls? Also, refugees are no more likely to commit sexual assault than any other section of the population [http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/08/why-we-can-t-stay-silent-on-germany-s-mass-sex-assaults.html]…

      There may well be cultural issues at play in this particular case, but this is still a male problem and only blaming “refugees,” without talking about male entitlement and patriarchy will not resolve it.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Sexual assaults and harassment happen every year at Oktoberfest? Why is that?

  • Meghan Murphy

    BACK TO THE #TRUMP2016 RALLY WITH YOU, TIINA.

  • Meghan Murphy

    UM, I love how you *just* called someone else on this site a “racist.” Good god, get the fuck off of my website.

  • Matt D

    Meghan Murphy…what happened to you to make you such a hateful, coarse human being??? You know who a real feminist was? Margaret Thatcher. Imagine someone rising to power because of what was between her ears and not her legs.

    • Meghan Murphy

      Hahahahahhaha. Wrong website, dude.

  • Matt D

    Dude I am white and straight (and gasp with kids!!) and therefore the most vilified person in western society. I get crapped on by you and media daily. Where the hell is this white privilege???

    • Meghan Murphy

      🙁

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