Rape culture is Brock Turner’s father describing sexual assault as ‘20 minutes of action’

Brock Turner
Brock Turner

In January 2015, Brock Turner, a swimmer at Stanford University was seen sexually assaulting a woman who was lying on the ground, unconscious. He tried to run away after being seen by two witnesses, but they tackled him and held him down until the police came.

On Thursday, the 20-year-old, who was facing up to 14 years in state prison, was sentenced to six months in jail, which includes a three-year probationary period, and registry as a sex offender for life.

In a statement to the court before the sentencing, Brock’s father, Dan Turner, said his son’s life had been “deeply altered forever” and that the sentence was “a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action.”

Excerpt from statement from Brock Turner's father, Dan Turner.
Excerpt from statement from Brock Turner’s father, Dan Turner.

In fact, the 23-year-old victim did not initially want her attacker to go to jail and assumed Brock would “formally apologize” and that the two would move on. Instead, the young man hired a lawyer, who went to work trying to discredit the victim, forcing her to spend a year recounting traumatic details and responding to irrelevant questions and accusations in court.

In a powerful letter, published by Buzzfeed, that the victim read in court at the sentencing, she describes the severe impact of the assault, explaining that she went to a frat party and woke up “in a gurney in a hallway,” with “dried blood and bandages on the backs of [her] hands and elbow.”

“A deputy explained I had been assaulted. I still remained calm, assured he was speaking to the wrong person. I knew no one at this party. When I was finally allowed to use the restroom, I pulled down the hospital pants they had given me, went to pull down my underwear, and felt nothing. I still remember the feeling of my hands touching my skin and grabbing nothing. I looked down and there was nothing. The thin piece of fabric, the only thing between my vagina and anything else, was missing and everything inside me was silenced. I still don’t have words for that feeling. In order to keep breathing, I thought maybe the policemen used scissors to cut them off for evidence.”

After an extensive and intrusive rape kit examination, the victim was permitted to shower. She writes:

“I stood there examining my body beneath the stream of water and decided, I don’t want my body anymore. I was terrified of it, I didn’t know what had been in it, if it had been contaminated, who had touched it. I wanted to take off my body like a jacket and leave it at the hospital with everything else.”

She knew she had been sexually assaulted, but nothing more. It was only after coming across a news report while at work, that the victim learned the details of the attack:

“One day, I was at work, scrolling through the news on my phone, and came across an article. In it, I read and learned for the first time about how I was found unconscious, with my hair disheveled, long necklace wrapped around my neck, bra pulled out of my dress, dress pulled off over my shoulders and pulled up above my waist, that I was butt naked all the way down to my boots, legs spread apart, and had been penetrated by a foreign object by someone I did not recognize. This was how I learned what happened to me, sitting at my desk reading the news at work. I learned what happened to me the same time everyone else in the world learned what happened to me.”

Inexplicably, the article detailing a woman’s rape concluded by listing the perpetrator’s swimming times.

That night, she told her parents she’d been sexually assaulted but warned them not to look at the news because it was “upsetting.” She said:

“Just know that I’m okay. I’m right here, and I’m okay. But halfway through telling them, my mom had to hold me because I could no longer stand up.”

Brock met the victim at the frat party and took her behind a dumpster, where he assaulted her. She notes that he preyed on her specifically, as she was alone and vulnerable, too drunk to defend herself. She writes, “Sometimes I think, if I hadn’t gone [to the frat party] then this never would’ve happened. But then I realized, it would have happened, just to somebody else.”

Rather than taking time to heal, the victim says she was “revictimized,” over and over again, forced to remember everything she could about the night, “in excruciating detail.” After being made to respond to Brock’s lawyer’s aggressive questioning, “designed to steer me off course, to contradict myself… phrased in ways to manipulate my answers,” she learned her attacker had invented a new story, claiming she’d “said yes to everything,” despite the fact that she couldn’t even form a sentence.

Brock stated, “At no time did I see that she was not responding. If at any time I thought she was not responding, I would have stopped immediately.” The victim notes that one of the men who caught and tackled Brock “was crying so hard he couldn’t speak because of what he’d seen” during the police interview.

“Here’s the thing. If your plan was to stop only when I became unresponsive, then you still do not understand. You didn’t even stop when I was unconscious anyway! Someone else stopped you. Two guys on bikes noticed I wasn’t moving in the dark and had to tackle you. How did you not notice while on top of me?”

Despite all this, despite the fact that this woman was found with abrasions all over her body — dirt, pine needles, and lacerations inside her vagina — Brock claimed she had enjoyed it, that she had orgasmed, even. He then tried to paint himself as the true victim, having been attacked by the “evil Swedes” who called the police.

“I don’t sleep when I think about the way it could have gone if the two guys had never come,” the victim writes.

In March, Brock was convicted by twelve jurors, who found him guilty of three felony counts beyond reasonable doubt. The victim described in detail the “irreversible damage” done to her and her family during the trial. And still the response from this entitled, dishonest, selfish, violent young man’s father is, essentially, “what about my poor son who loved steak and pretzels?”

“A steep price to pay??” For “20 minutes of action?” If, at the bare minimum, as a father, you can’t understand why calling sexual assault “action,” is part of the problem — part of what leads men like your son to assault unconscious women — then certainly the punishment is not “steep” at all. It is all too easy to imagine what your son has learned about “sex” and how one goes about “getting it,” based on this response.

Men destroy women’s lives, as individuals and collectively, every time they perpetrate these kinds of attacks. And then they try to protect one another: “He was a good guy,” “He deserves compassion.” But at what point does compassion extend towards women who live in fear and trauma due to men like Brock who are, truly, everywhere? Who are everywhere because they are raised by and surrounded by men who consider sexual assault to constitute “20 minutes of action?” This is literally what rape culture is: the idea that sex is something for men, that men get from women, at any cost. Rape is sex, under patriarchy. And men’s desire is always excusable, always acceptable, always a bigger priority than women’s safety, well-being, and dignity.

“While you worry about your shattered reputation,” the victim writes, “I refrigerated spoons every night so when I woke up, and my eyes were puffy from crying, I would hold the spoons to my eyes to lessen the swelling so that I could see.” She explains that she cannot sleep without a light on, that she is so afraid of the recurring nightmares that she would wait till morning to sleep. She can no longer go out alone and is perpetually afraid.

The victim had told the probation officer she didn’t “want Brock to rot away in prison” and that what she “truly wanted was for Brock to get it, to understand, and admit to his wrongdoing.” But after reading the defendant’s report, it became clear that Brock did not “exhibit sincere remorse or responsibility for his conduct.” Despite his conviction, “all he has admitted to doing is ingesting alcohol,” blaming “promiscuity” and “campus drinking” instead. She writes:

“Someone who cannot take full accountability for his actions does not deserve a mitigating sentence. It is deeply offensive that he would try and dilute rape with a suggestion of ‘promiscuity.’ By definition rape is not the absence of promiscuity, rape is the absence of consent, and it perturbs me deeply that he can’t even see that distinction…

… The seriousness of rape has to be communicated clearly, we should not create a culture that suggests we learn that rape is wrong through trial and error. The consequences of sexual assault needs to be severe enough that people feel enough fear to exercise good judgment even if they are drunk, severe enough to be preventative…

… He is a lifetime sex registrant. That doesn’t expire. Just like what he did to me doesn’t expire, doesn’t just go away after a set number of years. It stays with me, it’s part of my identity, it has forever changed the way I carry myself, the way I live the rest of my life.”

Brock is only expected to spend three months of a six-month sentence in county jail. The Guardian reports that “the judge, Aaron Persky, said positive character references and lack of a criminal record had persuaded him to be more lenient.” He was concerned prison would have a “severe impact on [Brock].”

*Update/June 7, 2016: Dan Turner has told The Huffington Post in a statement that he feels his words have been “misinterpreted,” and that he was “not referring to sexual activity by the word ‘action.’”

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  • TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsYoya

    He father’s statement makes me want to rage vomit. He thinks his son is the victim. “Not getting it” doesn’t even begin to describe…

    • Hannah

      I just couldn’t even read it…both he son and father need to be euthanized.

  • Melissa Cutler

    I’d hoped Feminist Current would cover this crime as well as the victim’s powerful message, so thank you for that. All I’d add is that Aaron Persky, the judge who sentenced Turner, was a Stanford alumni who was an athlete while there, just like Turner. And that the sentence wasn’t just lenient, but far below the mandatory state recommendation for the counts Turner was found guilty of.

  • oneclickboedicea

    The victim’s statement makes harrowing reading, not just for the assault itself, but the further assault by the judicial system. The rapist’s father, the attorney and the judge don’t seem to have the slightest humanity for the woman, only the rapist. That’s rape culture, or patriarchy as we call it here.

  • Sally Hansen

    This man deserves a bad reputation and the harshest sentence possible. That’s the whole point when you’ve been convicted of a crime by a jury of your peers. He needs to face the full consequences, otherwise what is the point of the justice system at all? “you’re guilty and we all know you are, but let’s just skip that whole having to take responsibility for one’s actions bit and consider your feelings over the victim’s ”

  • Rachael

    This leaves me cold. There are truly no words to properly express my disgust (and my fear) over this.

  • Sally Hansen

    I sincerely believe he would have killed her and tossed her in that dumpster if he hadn’t been caught. There is no doubt in my mind. He’s been given the green light by this judge to rape again, and make no mistake, he will. I wouldn’t doubt if he had also raped other women as well who simply have never come forward. If this is how he was raised, there are probably at least half a dozen other victims.

    • Cassandra

      Yup, betcha a dollar for a donut he’s raped before and will again.

    • TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsYoya

      I had that thpught as well, he’s probably done this before.

  • lk

    I literally don’t understand how he can only get 6 months in county jail for raping an unconscious woman.

    The father’s letter is beyond disgusting and I can’t believe a decent, rational, ethical person would type up that letter and submit it to the court. It’s not like its something that he just blurted out; he had to sit
    down, compile these thoughts..this is how he truly feels about his son’s behavior.

    The last part of the letter really ticks me off: Brock can educate college students “about the dangers of alcoholism and sexualpromiscuity”….”break the cycle of binge drinking and its unfortunate results.”

    What does sexual promiscuity have to do with anything?!! Who was sexually promiscuous? And what does alcoholism have to do with anything?!

    This is what we mean when we talk about rape culture, when we talk about male privilege, when we talk about white privilege.

    His attorney said: “He is fundamentally a good young man from a good family with a record of real accomplishment who made badchoices during his time at Stanford of about four months, especially related to alcohol.” ( http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_29962311/former-stanford-athlete-brock-turner-years-prison-or?source=infinite-up)

    Good young men don’t rape women.

  • stella

    JFC. I want to show this to every dude who thinks rape culture is an exaggeration

    • lk

      I would love for men to read this story and really consider how rape culture works, how damaging their actions are to women and girls everywhere, how fear of rape shapes so many of the things a woman will or won’t do.
      I would love for this story to inspire fathers, coaches, teachers, counselors to talk to the boys and men in their lives about what it means to treat ALL women and girls like human beings (not just their female relatives!) who are worthy of respect.
      Unfortunately, this story will probably inspire a lot of men to say stuff like #notallmen and women shouldn’t drink….

  • JingFei

    Where are the American popstars refusing to perform in this city if the judge still resides on the bench?

  • therealcie

    Wow. By this “logic”, if it takes you ten minutes to subdue and behead your victim and you are sentenced to life in prison for your crime, life in prison is a steep price to pay for ten minutes of action.

    • Xodima

      Yeah, the real crime is hurting the perpetrator’s feelings by calling a beheading murder. Might harm their reputation.

    • Si Llage

      That’s not murder, it’s the lesser crime of “suicide without consent”.

  • No Comment

    I’m not understanding. Was she just drunk, or was she passed out unconscious? If she was passed out, did he therefore drag her to the spot behind the dumpster? If he did so, that looks really bad and is an aggravating factor against him.

    But if she was conscious but drunk and went willingly with him to fool around, then that is a mitigating factor on his behalf. Now you can say if she was drunk then she couldn’t legally give consent (which is true) but I’m sure he’d been drinking at the frat party too and was legally drunk as well. So then if they were both drunk, that means NEITHER could give consent…so does that mean they raped each other?

    A lot of questions in this case, to be sure.

    BTW, the comic Amy Schumer gave a college speech not long ago where she admitted to commiting rape. She clearly stated how she went over to a dude’s place to have sex with him early one morning, back in her college days. The guy consented (in fact, he contacted her and invited her over) but Schumer states that while she was sober as a judge, it was clear to her that he was drunk as a skunk. As in, totally wasted. And knowing this, she had sex with him anyway. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this rape? Shouldn’t we all be screaming for her arrest? Why isn’t she on a sex offender’s list? She admitted to this act of rape publicly in front of a whole college, for crying out loud! Where’s the outrage against her?? Or is it just that this Brock kid is a white male…so Amy Schumer gets a free pass to commit rape? Because that’s pretty messed up.

    • Meghan Murphy

      Well, she doesn’t remember how she got from the party to the dumpster, but one might imagine she left, in your words, “willingly,” which doesn’t mean anything in terms of his guilt.

      Also, all drunken sex does not constitute rape. But if a woman is so drunk she can’t speak or give meaningful consent and is, in fact, passed out, that’s rape. Quit your trolling. You may think you’re MRA shit is subtle, but it’s not.

      • Xodima

        It’s always amusing for me to see MRA types come here -or anywhere really- with their swan song arguments like two years late to the party as if nobody had heard about this one thing that will blow away feminism.

        • Meghan Murphy

          They always think they’re being very original, don’t they.

    • Sara Marie

      I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that you haven’t read the victim’s statement. I read it, in full, last night. I encourage you to read it, so you will see for yourself the rather large differences between what happened to this poor women and Amy Schumer’s actions, as described from her telling by you.

    • Tomatoface

      He was found guilty by a jury.

    • ♧BobbiEllen♧

      I never understand these arguments and what people like you don’t get. You want a comparison story that actually matches this poor woman’s situation – ill give you one. I’m gonna assume you’re a male, because.
      You’re drinking at a party. During that time, you start talking to another guy about school, sports, the party, whatever. You’re not feeling so hot, and this guy says, “let’s get some air”. Maybe he offers you a smoke, whatever.
      While your outside, you have yourself against the wall cause you feel that sick. You even nod off. Instead of this new friend trying to move you somewhere safe, he takes your pants off. Then he f**KS you in the ass for 20 min, not stopping till 2 guys chase him and pin him.
      You wake up in the hospital and told you were assaulted. You go to the bathroom to find your underwear is gone. Your asshole has lacerations.
      You find out the details in the newspaper. EVERY humiliating part. About how the guy had your ass spread open. Everyone knows this. In court, everyone argues he thought you were up for action. They argue you were both drunk.
      So my question is, did he rape you, or not? At the party you were seen talking to him. You even went outside with him! You must not have been raped then, right?
      Your whole argument is stupid. You must be too. It doesn’t matter how she got outside. She was passed out, and her RAPE was witnessed by 2 people. Ugh.

    • societyfinch

      I feel like you haven’t really been paying very close attention.

    • Wren

      Wait, wait, wait…you do know that Amy Schumer is a COMEDIAN and she has a shtick, right?

      Your shtick is apparently being a stupid asshole.
      Oh, my mistake; that’s your true self.

    • will

      You must be talking about this speech: http://www.vulture.com/2014/05/read-amy-schumers-ms-gala-speech.html

      You call her action “rape”??

      Are you actually this dishonest with yourself as well as us? Are you just a desperately incompetent reader or perhaps a rabidly misogynistic fabulist? What ever the case, your comment screams “I’m a bigot!” and not much else.

  • TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsYoya

    I seriously doubt she did anyways. She was unconscious.

  • Sara Marie

    Yes, experiencing sexual pleasure, including and up to orgasm can make recovering from the rape or sexual assault more challenging. When I volunteered for a rape crisis hotline, this was one of the most common concerns brought up by recent victims.

    In this case, it is the perp who claims she orgasmed. And he added this long after the original attack, if I am not mistaken. Men are terrible at telling when women are truly orgasming, though clearly the victim couldn’t have faked while unconscious. But, I’m not sure if it’s even possible to orgasm while unconscious? In any case, my point is that men sometimes convince themselves their partner had an orgasm, even when the woman is *not* faking. It’s even possible this dude truly believes this happened, when it is incredibly unlikely and doesn’t take away from the fact that this was a major violation of her bodily integrity, however you want to look at it.

    And now the victim/survivor has to live with hearing him say she was turned on by his unwanted actions. If you don’t want sexual relations, if you are unconscious, an orgasm is NOT wanted and is a violation!!!

  • Lucia Lola

    Her statement is one of the most powerful, painful things I ever read through. I wish her continued strength and her bravery, frankly, stuns me.

    • Rachael

      Agreed. I cried reading her statement. I defy any woman to read that and not identify nuances of how they feel about being a woman in today’s culture. The idea that her (or any of ours, since she could be any of us) rapist was convicted yet got away with it because he is a man and she is a woman is simply terrifying. I feel so strongly that I have to do something to try and address all of these horrible issues but I feel incompetent to know where to begin. I have so much admiration for this woman.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Totally. Male jocks are treated as king on many campuses — untouchable, treated differently and offered privileges other students are not, often.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I couldn’t find the full statement, just this – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brock-turner-dad-letter-is-rape-culture-in-a-nutshell_us_57555bace4b0ed593f14cb30 – but to me it seems clear he still doesn’t really understand the impact rape has on women nor the larger implications of his son’s actions….

    • BenEsler

      The full statement is available here, Meghan: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2852614-Letter-from-Brock-Turner-s-Father.html

      While I do think people are misinterpreting his use of the word action (most of the statement is similarly poorly written, and should have been edited, or thrown in the trash), that does not account for the lack of recognition his statement gives to the victim, or his unwillingness to see his son as a rapist.

      Honestly, I think a big part of the problem, and a counter intuitive aspect of rape culture itself, is that we tend to think of rapists in two dimensional, cartoonishly villainous terms. We do this because we take rape seriously, in a way… but it allows us to avert our gaze when someone we know or care about is accused of having assaulted someone, because if they’re a good person, or our brother, or our friend, or a celebrity, or an athlete… then it can’t have been rape, because rape is a thing done by monsters, with cloven hoofs and horns. So we rationalize and make excuses, and we scrutinize the victim, and we look away, and do everything we can to find a way to call it something other than rape, in part precisely because we regard rape to be so terrible. If that’s true for seemingly almost everyone, I imagine it can only be more-so for a father who loves his son. I can’t even begin to imagine that kind of pain or cognitive dissonance, and I don’t hate this guy for getting this so spectacularly wrong. His statement is a product of a far wider cultural sickness.

      Again, paradoxically, I think what needs to happen is a demystifying and humanizing of rapists, which feels uncomfortable when so much effort is already put into defending them by apologists. We need to recognize that every rapist is somebody’s son, and is loved by people, and might be a ‘great guy’ to his friends, or whatever, but that this doesn’t mean they’re not a rapist. It simply doesn’t matter if somebody is a good person in every other area of their life, or is kind to animals, or plays a mean harp, or was on that TV show we used to watch. The only criteria one must fulfill to be a rapist is that they have had nonconsensual sex with somebody else. That’s it. Literally nothing else. You don’t need to be the boogeyman. You just need to have raped somebody. And if you rape somebody, society says you need to go to jail, because you’ve committed a very serious crime with devastating consequences, however great a guy your friends think you are.

      • Meghan Murphy

        Thanks Ben. I’ve seen the full letter, just not Dan’s “correction,” mentioned in HuffPo…

      • Wren

        You have good points. I didn’t expect much from the father, although there’s no one in his general generation that doesn’t know that “action” means sexual activity. I don’t give him a pass on that.

        I’m way more upset about the judge. It’s his job to show the family the real consequences of 20 minutes, not to be biased due to his identification with the perp. Nobody can truly expect a family to admit their son is a rapist/monster in the way you defined. Therefore, the judge needed to send the message to the perp, the victim, and the country.

  • TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsYoya

    David Futrelle does great work, shame about some of the people in his comments sections. Sad to see the bickering continues, I stopped even going there several months back due to other commenters screeching about other people’s opinions “silencing” them and throwing out TERF and SWERF willy nilly.

    • melissa

      Yea, true. he does.i don’t read much of the comments there anyway tbh. maybe skim over them once in a while.

  • Jamie Clemons

    He got a slap on the wrist he should have done more time.

  • antrenteau

    Not to sound creepy but many rapes and assaults have been done with objects though, at this men and women are equal. That’s the only point where they are regarding this issue
    though, since sexual assaults done by women are such an infinitesimal part, it’s not like it changes the nature of rape as first and foremost an act of male violence.

  • BenEsler

    I have been staring at this comment in total, gobsmacked disbelief for about five minutes now.

  • societyfinch

    Women can rape men, women can rape women. Unwanted penetration isn’t the only thing that constitutes rape.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I think most people interpreted “action” as “sexual action.” If he didn’t mean that, he reeeeeally messed up on word choice.

    • Andrew Cole

      Either way it’s terrible. Who cares how long it took? Is that how this guys judges everything? By how long it takes. Boo hoo, he made a ‘mistake’ and it shouldn’t ruin his life, but she did nothing wrong and had her life ruined worse!

      He should have said: I apologize to the world for raising such a piece of shit. He comited a horrible crime and needs to be face the consequences.

      I’m horribly offended by how lightly he got off. I’m starting to understanding minimum sentence laws.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Right. If orgasm justifies sex, then many girls and women who were molested, assaulted, and raped were not, in fact. A problem in healing from incest, for example, is that some of the feelings were physically “pleasurable.” That doesn’t make abuse ok. Orgasming during rape is something that happens to women sometimes. It doesn’t fucking make rape ok or somehow not rape! In any case, I don’t believe for a second that Turner’s victim orgasmed and I seriously doubt he would have any clue if she had.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Oh please. Young women drinking too much in their 20s do not need to go to AA. I mean, if you’re an alcoholic and you think AA can help, by all means, go for it, but the method/program is flawed, for one (and for women, in particular), but to say that women who party all need AA is ridiculous.

    Also, stop talking about “dragging” or “forcing” as though physical force is the ONLY possible way the situation constitutes rape.

    It’s very clear that Turner preyed on her because she was vulnerable and it’s very clear that he was assaulting her, otherwise why did the witnesses feel the need to intervene?

    And again, Amy Schumer didn’t rape anyone. You are ridiculous.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Context.

  • lk

    “You see, it may not be so black and white as you are painting it.”

    Tbh, I actually think this case is pretty black and white.

    In this case, a conscious male sexually assaulted an unconscious female. Unconscious people cannot consent to sexual activity. Performing sexual acts on a person without their consent is sexual assault.

    Sexual assault is wrong. Period.

    There is absolutely no reason to make excuses for Brock Turner’s behavior.

  • lk

    I think its great that you shared it with your son! I’m curious to know what his response was.

    • Tinfoil the Hat

      He was horrified, but resigned. He was raised by a radfem, after all! He’s also the kid who got a student expelled for grabbing a girl he didn’t know, so I HOPE he continues to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

  • BenEsler

    I believe the implication, were we to take his story at face value, was that she was awake when this happened, then slipped into unconsciousness afterwards.

    And now I’m reflecting on the horror that we, as total strangers, along with half the freaking world, are thinking about, speculating about, analyzing and discussing this. What could be more intimate, personal and private? It is a nightmare.

  • lk

    “Do we let drunk drivers off the hook because they couldn’t consent to what they were doing?”

    Why is it that with sex crimes people act as though alcohol magically absolves you of any wrongdoing?

    If I kidnapped someone, abused a child, assaulted someone, stole from someone or murdered someone while I was drinking or drunk…..most people would not allow me to use alcohol as an excuse or justification. And the legal system wouldn’t let me either.

  • TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsYoya

    That’s generous of you to give him the benefit of the doubt like that. I personally don’t think he deserves it and don’t think it’s at all “perfectly clear” that we should have interpreted “action” in such an innocent sense. This is the same man that made a point to say “my son has never been violent, including that night”. Including that night.

    • Tangelo

      Good point. I am assuming that no man would be such a fool as to whine about his son the rapist only getting 20 minutes of (sexual) action when pleading for clemency to the court. He might be such a fool. Certainly he has written many other foolish statements.

      • n s

        I think Dan knew exactly who he was talking to. Another lettered jock. I think he was talking about “action” with the judge in such a snide jokey way, because he was telegraphing we dudes together to the judge.

        • Tangelo

          Maybe. Maybe he thought it was a private letter to the judge, to be shared by none other. I know that at least one of the other character witnesses for Brock thought that. I remain unsure about what he meant by “action”, however the full text makes his position very clear.

  • TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsYoya

    I’m not so certain he didn’t mean it in a sexual sense, even if it was a freudian slip. The fact that his son wants to give lectures about promiscuity – promiscuity! Says a lot about how his man raised his son.

  • TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsYoya

    Where have you gotten that she passed out midway through consensual sex? That is something you made up. Like the Amy Schumer Rapist story.

  • Wren

    There was ample physical evidence on the young woman that the assault was not only non-consensual, but also violent.

    So fuck off now.

  • TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsYoya

    I’m not saying it’s impossible, I just think it’s *extremely* unlikely.

  • Wren

    We would not be so reactionary if you were simply using a hypothetical situation. But you’re not. You are trying to make a distorted point by using the situation of a convicted rapist who brutally assaulted his victim on concrete behind a dumpster. For that, you should be ashamed.

  • Sara Marie

    Unfortunately, some women do sexually assault. other women and a very small percentage of women do rape men.

    I was very close to a woman who was raped by a good friend of hers. They both got drunk; she passed out. When she woke up, the “friend” told her what she had sexually done to her while my friend was incapacitated.

    That is one example of female-on-female sexual assault. THere are others.

    And women actually raping men is unusual, but, sadly, it does happen. When I started undergrad, the administrators at our college told us a story about a male student who was raped by two women. Once again, they were all drunk. He didn’t want to have sex, but his body was responding outside of his control.

    In another example, there is a semi-famous case of a woman who held a gun to a man and said, “Perform.” Not having much of a choice, he got an erection and the woman raped him.

  • Sara Marie

    In regards to Amy Schumer, we’re only reading what you’re paraphrasing about what she did. Like a game of telephone.

    I have no idea what happened…but the person who could answer the question about whether it was rape or not would be the man Amy had sex with.

    And again, one sober person plus one drunk person does not, in and of itself, equal rape. As Meghan said, context matters here!!

  • Sara Marie

    They are often wrong about this, though. They want to believe the woman orgasmed, they feel *something* and make it out to be an orgasm. LOL

  • Paula González Silva

    Please someone let all the mates on that jail know what that piece of crap did, let’s see if some action inside him help him to be more empathetic. Entities like that should be castrated as an Chinese eunuch

  • Megan robinson

    He should be treated like a sex offender, as he IS one.

  • Tinfoil the Hat

    My son will be 20 next fall. I would never speak to him again.

  • Xodima

    Women can rape men and women, but they typically don’t and I think that’s an important thing to note when understanding rape culture. It’s not that women don’t have the capacity to sexually assault and rape, it’s that men do it so much and women don’t do it at anywhere near the same rate. Women’s sexual attacks are few and far between as opposed to the constant sexual attacks women have to fear FROM men.

    When we realize that both have the capacity yet only men commonly exercise such extreme entitlement to women, we abolish the excuse that it’s simply a product of having a penis.

    • Melissa Cutler

      Really well said. Thank you.

  • Cindy Parks

    Brock you are scum and deserve 25 years prison if not more i hope there is a conviction overturned and the Judge does not reside on it…the so called father needs to be sentenced for averting the course of justice and serve community time in a rape crises centre…To the VICTIM my sincere compassion and love for youre bravery in facing this monster….may you you have solace and support always and know that the world’s sister’s support you.with love Australia x

  • littleeva

    If I’m going by what you say, we should also teach young MEN not to get drunk either. If he said he was drunk when he raped this woman, maybe HE should get his behind to AA as well.

    If someone gets drunk and kills someone, they go to jail, period. Being drunk isn’t an excuse. If you want to judge her behavior for being drunk, then judge his as well.

    BTW, if she was passed out and he still had sex with her, then something is seriously wrong with him because that’s pretty damn close to necrophilia.

  • Alienigena

    I think that it is the latitude that is given to sons over daughters in terms of what they do. My brother got away with a lot of things that would have landed my sister and I in a lot of hot water and worse. I remember the scream fest between my mother and sister (age 16) when the former found her birth control pills. My brother slept with his girlfriends in the family home prior to high school graduation. My older sister became pregnant at 17 and my father said something about disowning her (he did not, she remained at home through to post graduation and a move to a different province) and ended up completing high school at a day school for unwed mothers (yeah, they existed) and by correspondence. It was like my family had reverted to the 1950s or earlier. I think parents (mothers and fathers) let their sons get away with murder. Re: the snotty remark about good kids raping. I was a compliant kid in many respects but never really aspired to be good though. I was not always verbally respectful, for some good reasons, some not (see teenager and hormones and angst). I attended school, got good grades for most part, engaged in acceptable extracurricular activities. And I still caught flack (relentlessly criticised and asked whether I thought I was better than everyone else, no I just liked what I liked) from my trashy father for liking classical music and having a religious bent (I am now an atheist).

  • Alienigena

    Jocks are privileged but not necessarily only male. All the schools I attended from elementary to high school were very athletics focused and they expected girls to be athletic as well. Our school choir was set to compete at the provincial level and we asked about using the school bus and were told that it was only for sports teams not music or arts groups. May have been an insurance issue, but still unfair.

  • shy virago

    This is so vile, so obvious of how men have the power and men have the control in this country.
    Yes, he deserves a long federal prison sentence.

    And Stanford University should be made to suffer as well, by some kind of boycott.
    We have our buying power – hit them where it hurts until they take rape and sexual assault seriously.

  • Sally Hansen

    Women can consciously make muscle contractions without orgasming, though. So if she wasn’t conscious while doing it, that’s the only way he could know she was orgasming, in which case he knows she’s unscious and is therefore raping her. Or she is actually awake and could either be having an actual orgasm or just faking. So really there is no way for a man to know unless he is actually raping an unconscious woman who has no control over her body. I don’t think he is prepared to admit to that… that if she’s awake contraction is a moot point and if she’s asleep, contraction is still a moot point.

  • n s

    He meant “action”. Once he saw that he wasn’t speaking to others like himself, his son the jocks dads he had talked it over with in the past year. he tried to clean up. Also, he referred to sexual promiscuity. He didn’t mean his son. He didn’t mean rape. He was still seeing what happened through a context of “action”. When he used the word promiscuity he meant the girl who was with his son. The girl who was sexually promiscuous. Willingly: remember? Action is absolutely the word the father and his peers use. Action is the word he’s used with his son, proudly, other weekends. He has sex (rapes) vicariously through his son’s “action”. They have had dude convos about his son’s action, before.

  • n s

    The elder Turner is about 45. He grew up calling it “action”. He does not differentiate between sex and rape. There is only “action”.

  • BenEsler

    “We can’t change the culture if we do not grapple with its actualities.”

    On this we agree. In this instance it appears we disagree on what those actualities are, but then also don’t, for the most part. 🙂

  • BenEsler

    Wait, so you’re saying that you want them to be raped?