What’s Current: Exit poll shows large majority voted in favour of decriminalizing abortion in Ireland

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  • An Irish Times exit poll suggests a majority of people voted “Yes” in the Irish referendum on whether to repeal the 8th amendment, supporting changing the constitution to legalize abortion.
  • Harvey Weinstein has been charged in New York with first- and third-degree rape, and with a criminal sex act.
  • US immigration officials are now routinely separating immigrant mothers from their children when taking families into custody, and classifying the children as unaccompanied minors, ICE officials are reported to have “lost” 1,475 such children, and alleged to engage in widespread abuse of those children in custody.
  • Another US federal appeals court has ruled that schools can suspend students’ rights to bodily privacy in single-sex bathroom and locker facilities based on claims of gender identity, ruling against a girl who didn’t want a boy in her school’s girls’ bathroom.
  • French director, Luc Besson, is under investigation over rape allegations.
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Natasha Chart

Natasha Chart is an online organizer and feminist living in the United States. She does not recant her heresy.

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  • お茶

    Not only is the outcome good for with regards of abortion, but good for the country as a whole as it means that the control of the Catholic church is definitely weakening. The Eighth Amendment was voted in with 66% in 1983.

  • Po21

    Happy for Ireland. Hope this will change doctor’s attitude and they will actually perform abortion.

    The article about trans kids in school… what the hell is “anatomical gender”? Just freaking say sex… even if apparently it is a worthless term now.

  • Wren

    Yay Irish women!!!

  • Hekate Jayne

    Ok, so ICE, which is a MALE system stemming from MALE government has LOST 1500 CHILDREN ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME.

    So, the male government of the US is taking children from their MOTHERS.

    Anyone confused about what males want with hundreds of children? That no one is going to bother looking for?

    This is what I am talking about when I say that males are leaving us little choice.

    And it is also why I think that they need to be fucking culled. Right down to the bone.

    Our government is close to 90% male. If males wanted this bullshit to stop, it would stop.

    • fluffywhitedog fluffy

      Damn right on the culling. Keep only a tiny proportion of the enlightened ones at best, and design female on female reproductive tech to replace the rest. Done. Solved the problems of the world

    • Mexican American Lesbian

      I keep telling this to people. The most racist/sexist people I’ve ever met are Latino ICE agents. All of the female members are social males.

      • Hekate Jayne

        But you continually say that males are “unaware” of what they are doing. That male oppression is “unconscious”. And that it’s always rich white males, implying that other males are victims, or something.

        You defend males. Consistently. Maybe these males are just “unaware”, too. Like you say that they are.

    • Just Me Resident SchoolMarm

      Women need to run for government positions and keep running and keep getting elected and keep tipping the power they currently have. Women are going to be the ones that change it for the better.

  • Hekate Jayne

    From the 3rd link at npr about the “missing” children:
    “Among the allegations, U.S. officials are said to have:
    Denied a pregnant minor medical attention when she reported pain, which preceded a stillbirth.
    Subjected a 16-year-old girl to a search in which they “forcefully spread her legs and touched her private parts so hard that she screamed.”
    Left a 4-lb. premature baby and her minor mother in an overcrowded and dirty cell filled with sick people, against medical advice.
    Threw out a child’s birth certificate and threatened him with sexual abuse by an adult male detainee.
    Ran over a 17-year-old with a patrol vehicle and then punched him repeatedly.””

    I had a beagle show up at my house several years ago. He had a cut on his side that needed stitches and he was starving.

    I took him to the vet, had him neutered and his cut stitched. I named him Gus.

    Gus could climb my 5 foot chain link fence. He took off. I couldn’t find him, even though I looked for fucking weeks.

    For months after, I would lay awake at night, wondering where he was, if he was hungry, or cold. Even now, years later, when I logically know that he is likely dead, I still wonder. And hurt.

    And he was a fucking DOG.

    How are these women supposed to live with this? That their lives were so fucking horrible, that this shithole that is the states seemed better to them? Only to have males do this? And now their children are just gone? Disappeared by the male government, the same LIFE IS PRECIOUS, MOTHERHOOD IS SO IMPORTANT hypocritical, murderous group of males.

    And these fuckers know that women are powerless. That they can take our children, and we can’t do shit. They are fucking bullet proof.

    • Just Me Resident SchoolMarm

      It is even hard to comprehend that this is what America has turned into. This is Trump’s America. And it’s disgusting.

  • So … the American government is using the pedophilia of its own border control agents as a scare tactic to stop illegal border crossings? And they call Mexicans animals???

  • fluffywhitedog fluffy

    I was just glad to see pics of women happy and acting in solidarity for once, and that the memory of Savita has made such an impact. Such a rare sight.

  • Hekate Jayne

    How generous of the male government to allow women to make their own bodily decisions for 12 weeks.

    Aren’t males the best.

    And I bet that if the women of Ireland are really patient and kind, and if they ask and they beg, perhaps males will extend it to 16 weeks.

    Or maybe the males will regret their generosity, and begin to roll back that “right”, like they have in the states.

    Because if there is one thing that we know about males, it’s that they are not going to give up control and ownership of the bodies that they own. If that had been their intention, they would have abolished any regulation of women’s bodies.

  • Hekate Jayne

    Does anyone know if abortion will be covered? Or if individual women will have to pay? And how much?

    I have looked, but I can’t find any info on that.

    From the link:
    “Abortion will remain illegal in almost all circumstances until the Oireachtas passes legislation providing otherwise.”

    I am proud of Irish women, and I am happy for them. They worked hard within a hostile patriarchal system to get change. I share in their joy. Honestly.

    But. This is not a victory. I mean, I don’t consider males allowing women abortions up to 12 weeks a victory.

    It is a crumb from males, tossed at women, as a manipulation to get us to shut the fuck up. As if we are supposed to be grateful to males for loosening their grip. And to encourage us to keep on asking and keep on begging, instead of ignoring them or moving around them altogether.

    Twelve weeks is not enough time for most women. And even if it is, will they be guaranteed an appointment if they catch it in time? What if a woman is 10 weeks and can’t get an appointment for 3 weeks?

    And all of this hinges on a male government enacting legislation, which won’t happen for months. So what about women that need abortions now?

    If some of us have to figure out how to take care of unwanted pregnancy on our own, it is still a problem for ALL of us. We can’t count on male systems to be fair. If they wanted women to have control of our bodies, that is what they would have done. Instead, they toss a bone at us and expect us to be grateful that they are generously giving us a tiny piece of our rights.

    Women have been assisting each other, helping each other get abortions. Whenever males are ignored, they freak the fuck out and try to get us back under control by giving just a little with the implication that they can be persuaded to give more.

    And I am sure that males are going to protest and whine and cry, an by the time this is legislated, that it will be even slimmer than it is now.

    Our time is better spent learning how to take care of our own reproductive needs ourselves, without male control. They will punish us. But they already do that. We are smart enough and self sufficient enough that we don’t have to beg their dumb asses for shit. It’s a waste of our time that would be better spent helping each other.

    • Hanakai

      Actually in the USA, 66% of abortions are done in the first eight weeks of gestation and 92% are performed in the first trimester. Most women who find themselves pregnant are well aware of their condition during the first trimester and most who wish to abort do so in the time frame when it is safest and least problematic.

      With more education, the number of surgical abortions could be minimized and pregnancies more easily terminated early on by medical abortion, that is, by taking mifepristone which blocks the body’s own progesterone, a hormone necessary for pregnancy to continue, followed by misoprostol. In the first ten weeks, this drug combination aka RU-486 is safe and effective at terminating pregnancy; and is much easier on the woman and less invasive than surgical abortion.w

      The rabid anti-abortion religionists in the USA are going apoplectic because women can mail order RU-486 and undergo safe effective medical abortions in their own homes. The anti-abortionists, of course, want to be able to burn women’s health clinics and terrorize women going into Planned Parenthood offices. With abortifactient medication that women can self-administer, pregnancy can be easily and privately terminated.

  • Maria Gatti

    Of course the new provisions are far from adequate. There should be no restrictive law whatsoever; the only legal provisions should be those covering other medical acts and ensuring quality and availability of services.

    However the very large majority will help our sisters in Ireland (the Republic, but also the north) to continue the struggle for access and against time and other restrictions.

  • rosearan

    Lest we forget. The road to the Irish referendum was paved by the horrendous case of Savita Halappanavar, a 31-year-old dentist, who was admitted to hospital in 2012 with a septic pregnancy. She begged for an abortion, but due to a combination of medical misdiagnosis and uncertainty amongst the hospital staff of their legal liability, her request was denied. She died 7 days later of septicaemia. You can read about it here:

    At the inquest into her death, her husband related that she had asked a nurse why she couldn’t have an abortion, when in her home country, India, it would have been no problem. The nurse replied that Ireland is a Catholic country. The nurse, when questioned at the inquest, confirmed this but was extremely remorseful.

    Sad but interesting times that the death of an Indian woman living in Ireland created a storm of controversy that finally led to overturning the Irish system that caused her death.

    • Blazing Fire

      Time to time, I feel that we in the so called “3rd world” nation are better off than white or western sisters _for_now_ (donno when these dudes will raise a copy cat anti-choice uproar here. )

      Yeah, that’s just an illusion – we are all ultimately at the same level – but I can’t help feeling thankful, and feeling so sorry for White/West sisters, wishing they could be here, when I hear such news (rape victims or impregnated weak women dying in labor, Purvi Patel & the other Chinese-American lady JAILED for 30years or so for having a miscarriage, Savita’s painful death…AND of course when I hear of TIMs.. Sure, there are horrid treatments of pregnant/laboring women here, not to mention forced abortions of female fetuses, but our first-world sisters don’t seem to be treated tooo much better either.. sexual abuse of laboring women by male gynecs is just one..
      And after going round & round like this, I always end up concluding that we are all at same level..)

      It galls me to no end when I read stupid remarks from white/western males that say “Western women don’t know what REAL oppression is”.. Nopes, we aaaalll are at the same level – at the bottom of the patriarchal food chain – around the world. Don’t try to fool us.

      Sorry about the side tracking:)

      • fluffywhitedog fluffy

        Exactly! 3rd World feminists actually have the advantage in not having been brainwashed into the PC fun-fem crap. They are still straight-talking and practical. I was born in the poor world and then moved to the West, and was positively shocked at how brainwashed women are here. Back in my country you simply learn to survive around men : you’re not naive enough to buy into the romance and Not All Men myth that poor Western women buy into.

        Also Savita’s case didn’t need an abortion even. In medical terms it would’ve been ASSISTED MISCARRIAGE. It would have simply sped up the miscarriage already in progress.

  • fluffywhitedog fluffy

    Yes. It’s the sisterhood that’s truly inspiring – not the male crumb tossed.

  • fluffywhitedog fluffy

    I live in Australia, where abortion is like this mythical creature that no one ever mentions. It’s certainly legal, govt-funded, happens a lot and is even provided to 14 y.o. onwards without parental consent. Yet nobody. ever. SAYS anything about it!! Bizarre…

  • fluffywhitedog fluffy

    The grand irony in this is the case of female autism. One of the diagnostic criteria is lower empathy than most women. I have it, and I have oodles more empathy than every single male I’ve ever met. I don’t understand how it is possible to be as heartless as they are. In fact, ALL my depression is created by my heart breaking for what men do to this world every day.

    It would NOT be difficult indeed for women to revolt indeed – not with the science and Internet we have now. Men are like sharks: they are not used to their prey fighting back. They run scared when confronted with firm resistance.

    We REALLY need to make the development of the Kaguya method (or any other female on female reproductive tech) the new Pill. I.e. a covert revolutionary womens’ scientific project.