Penises don’t kill people, people with penises do

Everyone — including trans activists and allies — should demonstrate zero tolerance for perpetrators of violence and sexual misconduct, regardless of how they identify.

Jess Bradley, the first trans officer for the NUS in the UK, was recently suspended after pictures of an exposed penis in various public places were discovered on Bradley’s Tumblr blog. One of the photos appears to have been taken at what looks like Bradley’s desk. The blog, which has since been taken down, was called “Exhibitionizm” —  referring to fetishes and fantasies that involve engaging in sexual acts in public (or in places where one might be seen or “caught”), such as flashing or masturbating.

Bradley has not denied ownership of the photos or penis, but has expressed confidence that the law has not been broken. A statement published by Bradley reads: “I am able to tell you that I am confident that none of my behaviour has been unlawful, and that I have not engaged in sexual activity with anyone, or in the view of anyone, without their consent.”

In an article published on Medium, an author writing under the pseudonym “Cursed E” argues that, with regard to the response to these allegations, Bradley is being wronged in two ways: first, by being “kink shamed,” and second, by being construed as representative of all transwomen. On the first, characterizing the deliberate public exposure of genitals for the purposes of sexual titillation to “kink shaming” is troubling. It implies that the act of an adult flashing their penis or masturbating publicly is harmless. As women and girls who have been subject this kind of sexual misconduct can attest, such behaviour is not harmless. Even if the perpetrator does not intend to be seen, risking being seen for the purpose of sexual arousal shows unacceptable disregard for those who are at risk of seeing.

On the second, the argument that criticism of Bradley’s alleged behaviour unfairly targets transwomen is misguided. “Cursed E” writes:

“Whenever a trans person does something bad its automatically applied as if its a standard to all trans women. So because one trans woman is allegedly an exhibitionist flasher, we all could be and so things like women’s spaces should keep us out, for the protection of women.”

The author goes on to argue that to cite the Bradley case as justification to exclude transwomen from women’s spaces (such as change rooms) would be “literally no different to racism.” The logic is that, just as it is racist to generalize from the harmful actions of one member of a race to all members of a race, it is likewise prejudicial to generalize from the harmful actions of one transwoman to all transwomen. “Cursed E” argues that people who have concerns about opening women-only spaces to transwomen have a prejudice that “stems from viewing penises as weapons. So anyone who has one is automatically a bad person.” The author’s conclusion is similar to the line, “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” — namely, that penises don’t rape and otherwise commit violence against women, but rather the males attached to them do that, and #notall[males].

“Cursed E” is, of course, completely correct that it is prejudicial to generalize from the harmful actions of one member of a group to all members of the group, especially when the group is a stigmatized or vulnerable minority. And it is true that some people stereotype all of those who identify as transgender as “perverted” or “sick.” When people cite cases such as Bradley’s as justification for maintaining sex-segregated spaces, some trans activists and allies may hear or construe these concerns as saying, “all transwomen are sexual predators.”

But the feminist argument for retaining and safeguarding female spaces is not about transwomen per se. It is about male people — the sex class into which all transwomen were born. Because of the reality and ubiquity of male violence (including various degrees and forms of sexual violence), and female vulnerability to male violence, certain spaces ought to remain off limits to males, for the protection of females. While there is no specific or additional threat from transwomen, a person who is still a member of the male sex class is part of the class of people who are given a blanket exclusion from certain spaces designed for female safety and privacy.

If, as “Cursed E” argues, it is akin to racism to exclude transwomen from certain spaces, it is also akin to racism to exclude any males at all from certain spaces. But we think the argument runs the other way: for exactly the same reasons that it is not prejudicial to exclude males from certain spaces (contrary to the howls of MRAs), it is not prejudicial to exclude transwomen from certain spaces. It is as equally facile to say that certain spaces are off-limits to transwomen because some people think having a penis makes you a bad person, as it is to say that certain spaces are off-limits to males because some people think having a penis makes you a bad person.

This means that the argument to allow all transwomen access to spaces that exclude all males will need to show one of two things:

1) That the statistical threat of male violence does not provide sufficient reason to retain and safeguard spaces that exclude males, so there should be no sex-segregation on safety and privacy grounds. If that argument is successful, then transwomen will have the right to access spaces previously designed for the safety and privacy of females because all males will have that right.

2) That there is something about identifying as a transwoman, having body dysmorphia that causes someone born male to self-identify as a woman, taking estrogen, wearing “feminine” clothing, or presenting with the other (apparent) accoutrements of femininity, that removes or sufficiently reduces the statistical threat to females. There are interesting empirical questions here. For example, is male violence socialized, and at what stage? Does taking estrogen impact impulses to violence? Is socialized sexism or misogyny likely to simply disappear upon identifying as a woman?

We are interested in this information if it does indeed exist, but until we are presented with evidence, we think there is sufficient reason to keep certain spaces off limits to males. The burden of proof is on those who would like to make exceptions for some males, and not on us. Cases like Bradley’s are striking not because they represent transwomen, but because they show misconduct that is characteristically male, but not characteristic of females.

In the wake of #MeToo, writers like “Cursed E” should consider cases like Bradley’s as an opportunity to take a stand against male violence and sexual misconduct. Instead of going into damage control and using minimization tactics for political reasons, everyone — including trans activists and allies — should demonstrate zero tolerance for perpetrators of violence and sexual misconduct, regardless of how they identify or their political affiliation. The short term imperatives of securing the privacy, rights, and safety of those who identify as transgender — without jeopardizing the privacy, rights, and safety of females — should be something we can all agree on. And in the long run, males especially should work toward making male violence and sexual misconduct a thing of past, if they wish to obviate the need for sex-segregated spaces.

Holly Lawford-Smith is a senior lecturer in Political Philosophy at the University of Melbourne.

Emily Vicendese is a PhD candidate in Philosophy at the University of Melbourne.

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  • Yisheng Qingwa

    Ah, yes, NATALT. Just like NAMALT, but in a dress and a bad wig.

    Also, have you read this?

    https://outofmypantiesnow.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/when-is-90-not-substantially-all/

  • Zoë Lafantaisie

    WOW! Most elegantly articulated – thank you so much Holly and Emily.

  • therealcie

    I once read a statement which said “religion is like a penis. It’s fine to have one. It’s fine to be proud of it. It’s not fine to whip it out in public and start waving it around.”
    In this case, we could just say: “It’s fine to have a penis. It’s fine to be proud of it. It’s not fine to whip it out in public and start waving it around.”
    A bit of an oversimplification, perhaps, but it seems like it’s a difficult complex for some people to grasp.
    Back in the early 2000s, I was working at a nursing home. I hadn’t seen one of my co-workers in a while and inquired of a couple of other co-workers where “Rich” was. They started smirking and told me that “Rich” had gone out to his car one day during lunch and was yanking his crank when the hospice nurse walked by and got an eyeful.
    I said that first of all being in the nursing home atmosphere would quickly kill any sexual arousal that might happen for me, but in any case, why wouldn’t he go in the bathroom to take care of his “needs.” These were single-occupant bathrooms, not a bathroom with stalls. I came to the conclusion that my former co-worker was one of those people who enjoys the “thrill” of possibly getting caught. It seems that the only people I’ve known who had this compulsion were men.
    “Rich” was never inappropriate with any of his co-workers, and I never saw him behave in an inappropriate way with any of the patients. I certainly hope he wasn’t having sexual thoughts about the vulnerable elderly. I rather don’t think so. I think it was the “thrill” of masturbating in public that drove him.
    I don’t think my former co-worker was a sexual predator per se, but his behavior was certainly inappropriate. This isn’t about “kink shaming.” It’s about the fact that no-one wants to see a stranger wanking or exposing themselves. Full stop.

    • Jani

      No, it’s very disconcerting to the unsuspecting person who sees it. I don’t think it’s “normal” behaviour. It’s done to shock people (usually women or girls).

    • Melanie

      Men wanking in the stalls is yet another reason to keep them out of our facilities.

  • TwinMamaManly

    Please tell me “kink-shaming” is not a thing.

    • Meghan Murphy

      OHHHH it is! It most definitely is.

    • Yep. “I can feel whatever I feel and you must validate it, no matter how creepy, or no matter HOW it is clearly something to do with my mother or you are just a prude/intolerant/KINK SHAMING ME”

      Same old crap in a different colour outfit.

    • Wren

      Oh yes it is!! And it’s definitely been used to defend abusive men. After all, is he beating her or is it consensual “kink” that just went a little too far?? “Kink shaming” is a gift to pervy, violent men.

      • Jani

        The first time I heard a woman talk about ‘consensual violence’ I thought “we’re fucked”. Violent partner? It was consensual violence. Rape? It was consensual violence? Violent sex? It was consensual violence. Gail Dines described the ‘choking’ thing as quite literally denying women their voice.

    • You obviously have never heard of “vanilla privilege,” the privilege people who don’t do kink have over people who do. The geniuses who expand upon queer theory have identified it as an axis of oppression. Educate yourself(!) as the kids say. (Er, maybe not. Learning about the BDSM class may not be a truth that sets you free.)

      • TwinMamaManly

        Oh goody another reason to shame “normal” people for being “normal”. We shame these outliers because they’re f**king weirdos, where did they get the idea everyone has to put up with their crap? Where did they get the idea we even WANT to hear about their perversion – except to stay the hell away from me because you’re weird?

    • Robert Gonzalez

      Oh, but it is. I hear it all the time these days.

    • therealcie

      Alas, I wish I could.

  • Danielle Cormier

    “while there is NO category of woman above risk of rape or sexual harrassement, NO category of men can be above suspicion”
    (if anyone recognises this paraphrase and who said it, please let me know. I cant find it and its driving me crazy)
    Thank you Holly and Emily

    • Alienigena

      “NO category of men can be above suspicion”

      Not when men with dementia beat up and rape fellow residents in nursing homes. Women with dementia don’t seem to go around sexually assaulting other residents.

  • BillGoatse

    A very clear and well written piece on a very sensitive topic, well done!

  • The “generalization” argument ignores the fact that these perpetrators are not just some random trans woman, but high profile trans activists. Bradley occupied an important political position as a woman’s officer of an influential student organization. Dana Rivers, currently on trial for triple murder of an interracial lesbian family, was a leader of Camp Trans and an activist who appeared on Oprah and other television programs. I could go on and on. It’s about impossible to find a trans activist in the public eye who isn’t doing something cringe worthy. I think it’s a good thing to generalize from the actions of the architects and generals of the trans movement. It puts pressure on those in the movement to purge their philosophy and tactics of people like Bradley rather than circle the wagons around them. What using the racial argument ignores is that we have fine examples of highly moral Black activists. Nobody’s perfect, of course, but not everybody whips out their penis in public. If trans activists cannot find good leaders, it’s reasonable to wonder if what we see publicly is representative.

  • Julia

    I don’t think we should ever obviate the need for female only spaces. Even in matrilineal/ sexually egalitarian cultures, women need their own space to protect against the threat of patriarchy. When the Europeans conquered the US and Canada (well, and Africa, Asia, etc.) they effectively destroyed important aspects of female power by putting men in charge. So, even if women have/ gain equal power, they can always lose it, especially since men overall have the strength advantage and women can be restricted by pregnancy. Thus women should ALWAYS have a right to their own spaces, given the history and nature of male oppression of females, and trans -identified males can just deal with it. Also, I do think there is a large population of TIMs who ARE perverted. If you read trans boards, these TIMs talk about how much they want to be penetrated, about how they felt they were women because they aren’t interested in penetrating but in BEING penetrated – which is the words they always use. Then there are those obsessed with being teen girls. That, along with autogynophilia, is a perversion of the female body and being, so even if they aren’t exposing themselves in public this makes them a threat to women in how they define women.

    • Alienigena

      Citing anthropological data to justify specific deviant behaviours in modern society is just wrong. Primarily because (originally) anthropology (and not just biological or physical anthropology) was meant to tell us about our evolutionary origins as humans (cross-culturally (primitive/advanced, small scale/large scale – blame early anthropologists (Victorian) for these terms, they used them and viewed them as legitimate analytical frames), in relation to non-human primates). Not to provide justification for deviance, as in doing things to other people that are against their humanity (e.g. enslaving them, sexually abusing them, mind fucking them until they don’t know right from wrong and have no protective boundaries). Though cultural relativism emerged out of American cultural anthropology it wasn’t really a thing in British social anthropology, the approach used in my Canadian university, for the most part.

  • FierceMild

    I would like to point out that it is quite appropriate to view Mr. Bradley as representative of transwomen because he was in fact the elected representative of transwomen for NUS. I imagine that’s why they suspended him.

    The situation is fraught for trans people because it seems as if every transwoman to hold an office in relation to his transness eventually gets outed as some sort of sexual deviant. Not good for the old public image.

  • Thom Prentice

    “All that is solid melts into air.” — Karl Marx but did he envision the Trans Industrial Complex Juggernaut?

  • Hekate Jayne

    They are obsessed with being “girls”. Not one of them wants to be a woman. Which speaks volumes.

    I am also sick of this defense that he didn’t do anything illegal. Um, yeah, it is fucking illegal to whip out your disgusting dick in public.

    And as an aside, males create, write and enforce laws, governments are majority male. Laws function to protect males, law does not protect us, it isn’t meant to. If it did, rapists would go to fucking prison.

    Also, even if it is legal to pull out your tiny dick in public, why is this the standard that males choose? It is legal to force my dick onto women in public, so it is good and right for me to choose to do it? Why are men so fucking nasty?

    • TwinMamaManly

      Yes I am revolted by the whole thing too -me, I can stand up for myself and I have a very large, ex-cop, arborist partner who would back me if someone did that to me or my girls – but I know it would be difficult for many woman and girls to do and I have 3 young daughters. It disgusts me that they think their genitalia supersedes everyone else’s rights to not be indecently assaulted (which is what the crime is in my jurisdiction). Why, because they are trans, do their actions suddenly give them immunity from the criminal laws and the right to demand validation for such conduct?

      I live in an area that is suburban families so there really aren’t many troons in the mix. I am just waiting for the day I find a troon in the change rooms at the pool or the beach and I can kick up a massive stink and call the regional daily paper. I’d love to see it be a test case here – make police complaint about indecent assault and see how far I get with it.

      I am just at the minute studying Evidence for a my law degree. And I am finding it incredibly difficult because the laws are absolutely written to privilege educated males, and there is ZERO provision for the special circumstances of victims of assault, sexual assault and violence, particularly with how we understand trauma. I got in an argument with the Professor about it. A few other female students gathered to discuss it afterwards because we are all disgusted. Reading the cases is really gruelling, I literally can’t concentrate I get so angry and frustrated, the judges are awful, so patriarchal and misogynist and out-of-touch.

      • Jeanne Deaux

        Why we need more women in law school and in the ranks of lawyers and judges. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was once asked how many female justices on the Supreme Court would be enough, and she said all nine. Exactly right. And most of them need to be gender-critical feminists to even begin to turn this nightmare around. I’m not even talking specifically TRA nonsense here, I mean patriarchy in general.

      • ptittle

        Expose this. Every way you can. Write articles for the law review, speak up in class, etc., etc., etc.

    • CatherineTGWShark

      The “didn’t do anything illegal” defense is such bs.
      Especially, if that blog was his, as it had a lot of pedophilic / “child porn”, rape and incest porn material on it too.

    • ptittle

      Brilliant insight – that they’re obsessed with being ‘girls’ rather than women.

      (Thought I commented about this already, but perhaps forgot to hit ‘post’; sorry, Meghan if you already moderated it …)

  • TwinMamaManly

    Depressing

  • TwinMamaManly

    Oh ew! Was he a Trump voter?

  • Cassandra

    “The short term imperatives of securing the privacy, rights, and safety of those who identify as transgender — without jeopardizing the privacy, rights, and safety of females — should be something we can all agree on.”

    These “rights” of these two groups of people are intrinsically at odds and it cannot be resolved. And right now, penis is winning. Surprise surprise.

  • Sophie Jameson

    I agree with everything you say, apart from: “And the vast majority of those on the receiving end of males choosing violence are female.”

    The majority of victims of violent crime are men. More men are murdered than women. Their killers and all violent offenders are nearly all men, though.

  • Meghan Murphy

    You’re cool with adult men masturbating in front of women and girls? Interesting.

  • Jeanne Deaux

    I’ll have to remember this. Betting it will blow up spectacularly, too.

  • Robert Gonzalez

    Where do we draw the line then? What do you consider off limits?

  • Hanakai

    Some grown men even like to wear diapers and play with poop.

  • RadStorm666

    Wow… is it just me or is it always raining pedophilic autogynephiliac males or what?

  • Well, if women say that they’re harassed by seeing penises in public places, that means that women are harassed by seeing penises in public places – it seems a pretty objective basis.
    Whatever it’s due capitalism or something else is utterly irrelevant: within our actual society women are saying that seeing penises in a public place is a dirty thing, harassing them, and that’s enough argument.
    What’s hard to understand?

  • Alienigena

    This makes no sense to me. Unless you are saying that heterosexual sex is a mandatory activity for anyone with a vagina. You don’t have a right to expose yourself and masturbate in front of other people in most societies.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Kate McKinnon is a lesbian comedian/actress? Or is there another Kate McKinnon?

  • Meghan Murphy

    “Trans activists” (as I use the term and understand it, in any case) doesn’t only mean activists who identify as trans… it refers to the activism/movement itself, so the term includes all those advocating transgender ideology and fighting feminists/trying to destroy women’s spaces etc.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Oh ok. I’ve not heard of this McGregor person.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I know who Catharine MacKinnon is 🙂

    • Hekate Jayne

      I am a little slow, today, lol.

      • Meghan Murphy

        I am slow many days 🙂

  • Meghan Murphy

    Nah it’s about the actual activism/ideology.

  • calabasa

    “The penis runs things, dragging a dumbass belong behind it.” Ha ha ha, these words seem truer to me every day.

  • Cassandra

    Bingo!!

  • Hekate Jayne

    This is where we are, now……

    https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/98r92s/finally_let_myself_be_completely_naked_in_the/

    If you look at the original thread, where dudebro is preening about how proud he is of himself, you will find posters telling him how super duper brave and special he is for prancing totally naked in front of women.

    I can’t even be angry. I am stuck in abject disbelief.

  • Cassandra

    What utter bullshit. The Garden of Eden nonsense is null and void under patriarchy.

    • Morag999

      You said it.

      When men wax poetic about everybody frolicking in the nude without shame, it’s never about innocence, nature and peace. It’s about lack of privacy and boundaries for women and children. It’s about unlimited access to pussy or to whatever else is the object of their sexual compulsions.

  • Cassandra

    This dude has said this over and over here. So boring. So stupid.

  • Cassandra

    Yup. I wish they’d kill each other off at much higher rates.

  • Wren

    I feel you.

  • Robert Gonzalez

    I’m glad you keep reading. It’s nice to know you are around here. I feel the same sometimes, too. I try my best not to talk too much, especially here. But I don’t believe that you talk too much. 🙂

    I’m so, so sorry to hear that. That’s heartbreaking. My first dog was a beagle named Milo. I wanted a beagle so badly because I had befriended an old beagle girl named Maggie when I was a little kid. She was one of my best friends. Unfortunately we had to give him up because our neighbors were assholes and kept calling the cops when he barked. I have such a giant spot reserved for that breed, in my heart. I hope everything keeps going smoothly and things don’t get too hard for both of you.

  • eh, bring it 🙂 I’m not really that worried. I have a long career and gone through worse, so not really that worried. 🙂

  • Hekate Jayne

    Who is “demanding protection”?

    Demanding that males stay away from me is not “demanding protection”. It is demanding that males stay away from me in the spaces where I am partially clothed or vulnerable.

    I have never claimed to be “innocent”, or “pure”, you are correct when you say that was created by you and your brethren, bro.

    I am allowed to tell you or any other man to shut the fuck up and get the fuck away from me. That’s not demanding protection. You spent a lot of time trying to frame women saying no to your dick as us “demanding protection”, which while being a somewhat unique line of male bullshit, it is still just male bullshit.

    “Consequences of femininity” are not equal to the consequences of being a female person, in a female body. “Femininity” is just a set of behaviors imposed on women by males so that males can pathetically stay at the top of the hierarchy that they create and perpetuate for their own benefit. Consequences of being FEMALE are also created and enforced by males, but my female body is a fixed, unchangeable, biological reality. You know, like the women who die in pregnancy or giving birth, or FGM, or women in prison for having a miscarriage. These people all have one thing in common, they are FEMALE.

    You will never find a tranny dead in a menstrual hut from a snake bite, or in prison for self aborting. Now, I know that you will claim that we can’t immediately tell who is actually female, anymore, but that is not true. Males are not accidentally raping each other, or taking a pregnancy test, because they just don’t really know who is male or female.

    Ray Charles could clock most ladydudes, ffs. Males are not confused. Males are revoking our right to privacy and when we don’t roll over and submit to your shit, then you stomp your feet like a toddler and scream that we are bigots, or you threaten to kill yourself, or you threaten to rape and kill us, or you say that we are “demanding protection”.

    Call it what you want. But it is just the same old male dominance and bullying that you have been perpetuating for centuries on FEMALES.

  • Wren

    What???
    I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

  • Jani

    “It’s man gibberish. Every sentence is just a verbal vomit of why males are going to do exactly what they want. He was aiming for smart, but he didn’t quite make it. But he PERCEIVES it better than it is, lol.”

    Spot on, sister!!!!!

    I’m seeing a lot of man gibberish these days, and laughingly, they always come back with words like rational/logic/reason/facts, as if they’re making any sense at all. My head spins trying to make sense of some of the nonsense these guys come up with. They need to get a life.

  • Jani

    I couldn’t give a shit about “kink shaming”.

  • Jani

    Are you a peeping tom or something?

  • Jani

    Breasts are for feeding babies. I know that. You know that. I thought we would be over this stupid taboo by now. But no, we get silicone implants served up as male masturbation fodder on a million and one porn videos instead. These guys need to get real. Breastfeeding has far more to do with a woman’s sexuality (in the healthiest definition of female sexuality) than the male-defined man-made cartoon stereotype woman that our culture is pushing at us.

  • Jani

    We do quite a good job of “stupid shaming” here, with some of the garbage these MGTOW and MRAs post here.
    “I’m going my own way!”
    Bye, bye!!
    24 posts later……
    “You women don’t listen to reason! So I’m going my own way!”
    Oh, you’re still here?
    “… and I’ve been censored!”
    15 posts later
    “You feminazis refuse to hear the truth! There’s no point in getting you to understand the facts! So I’m going my own way”
    Oh, STFU and go then …
    “Boo hoo! You’re all horrible! It’s not fair!”
    They stupid-shame themselves, really.

  • acommentator

    I thought not.

    Don’t get me wrong. You do better at English than I would do at any language besides English. But these kinds of discussions can be tough for non-native speakers to say what they mean to say and nothing else.

  • CatherineTGWShark

    What I don’t get is why isn’t there a lot more attention (by the police too) give to that “Exhibitionizm” blog.
    Who ever allegedly made it, posted a lot more then just his dick pics.
    There was pedophilia / “child porn” on it, rape porn, incest porn and more.
    Shouldn’t police investigate that?

    Also Bradley allegedly gave exhibitionistic dares on that blog.
    All are sickening but there was some daring men, pardon, “penis owners” to go into dressing rooms / toilets and masturbate in them.
    So, how that works with the whole “Just want to pee / change my cloths” thing?

    And btw, what happens if it turns out it’s not just allegedly? If it turns out it really was this TIM posting?
    Will we even find out? And will all other TRA keep defending his “right” to use female spaces?

  • CatherineTGWShark

    Uh, you do know that forcing people to take part in your sexual gratification is not okay, right? Right?

  • CatherineTGWShark

    Manga porn is “hentai”.
    And I don’t recommend looking it up.
    I’ve seen it for the first time years ago. And I’m still feeling sick over it.

    But yeah, it’s definitively connected. There’s a lot of hentai of sexualised (and egged in revolting sex acts with other child like characters, or tentacles, or animals or whatever else you can think of and probably even more that you would never think of) child like (sometimes it’s very child like body but with enormous breasts too) female looking characters that also have dicks.

    So, those “trans / dick girls” (that look like no tim ever) are seen as some kind of twisted ideal or validation or who the hell knows?

    Anyway, if you do look you are sure to regret it.

  • CatherineTGWShark

    Exactly.
    And after they weaponized it the male governments go out and make anti abortion laws so dicks can be even more dangerous to women.
    It’s not just a threat of rape and the damage it brings it’s also a threat of pregnancy.

    So, men who rape, men how let them get away with it, and men who make anti abortion laws all work together to keep all women frightened and “in their place”.

    Why the fuck would any woman trust any strange male?

    • ptittle

      We’re socialized to do so. Father knows best. Men are better than us. More competent, more knowledgeable, more …

  • Alienigena

    “If you want to be innocent, clean and pure, that means you force others to become the savages, dirty animals (aka males), so you can stay pure and innocent. Demand for protection, wanting to be pure and innocent are the creators of violence and rape.”

    I think he wants to blame women for men’s bad behaviour (“you force others to become savages”). His argument is very biblical, think Adam and Eve in the garden. Why were humans expelled from the garden? Because of their disobedience. Who was scapegoated as the agent of human destruction, Eve (the representative of all women in Christian cultures). The first woman’s actions (she choose knowledge) and temptation of Adam (with knowledge) resulted in the expulsion of humans and the systematic demonisation of women in Christian theology and thus, western culture. Get thee to a seminary, Monsterette. Despite your disavowal of traditional values (including those around biological sex), your worldview seems to embody them.

    This guy does not deserve a sympathetic hearing, he is a card-carrying misogynist and further, a disingenuous weasel.

  • Meghan Murphy

    “Sexual openness” doesn’t work when men act like disgusting, predatory perverts all the time sorry about your idyllic delusion.

  • Meghan Murphy

    None of your comments make any sense.

  • ptittle

    Or, Or, (I’m Horshack raising his hand in class with SUCH excitement), you can accuse them of think-shaming you!

  • ptittle

    And you are mature.

  • ptittle

    Oh I think that’s dangerous; logic and reason aren’t gendered. I’d instead respond to the ‘overly emotional’ claim — as if men aren’t emotional when they deliver their arguments…

  • ptittle

    Seconded big time. Just finished her “Are Women Human?”

  • ptittle

    There have been feminist critiques of the law. I recall the woman (can’t recall her name, so sorry) who first (?) wrote about the reasonable person standard … back in the 70s, I guess …