Sex dolls show us what men want from real women — we should pay attention

No matter how you package, pretty it up, or slough it off as harmless, the inanimate object that is a “sex doll” is merely a reflection of what men feel they are entitled to do to women.

Image: Aura Dolls

News broke last week that a “sex doll brothel” was opening in Toronto. While bylaw issues stalled Aura Dolls from opening in its proposed location, the setback is likely temporary. Silicone sex dolls are the most recent product to enter the market for men to fulfill their porn fueled fantasies. Advertised by Aura Dolls, “each hole features different yet unique textures, ridges and tightness to give you intense sensations that are impossible to achieve even through real penetration.”

How lovely is that? Another dehumanizing step for women who are already considered merely receptacles to fulfill every man’s desires and fantasies. No doubt, they will soon be programmed to say “yes sir,” make coffee and sweep the floor.

Let’s be clear. There is nothing harmless about “sex dolls.” They represent the ultimate debasement of women. They represent yet another level of society’s detachment from its responsibility to value, respect, and protect women. “Sex dolls” are a manifestation of porn culture and the male dominant society’s belief that it needs to do whatever it can to make sure men can have sex when and however they want it no matter at what cost.

It isn’t a plastic doll lying underneath them. It’s every woman who has turned them down; every woman they can’t have; every women who has been more successful, more praised, and more desired than the man can ever dream of being… and now that man can do whatever he wants to that woman. Make no mistake, that isn’t a doll he’s doing, or maybe raping, choking, or hitting — it’s all those women he can’t measure up to.

Maybe one day it will be a real woman.

Men do not have a right to sex. Feminists have worked for centuries to free women from the objectification that stems from oppression. It’s a steep climb made even more difficult by the barriers thrown our way. Scantily dressed women and little girls dressed in bras and sheer stockings are used to “sex” up advertisements for almost any product — cars, beer, cigarettes, clothes, shoes, and lingerie. The more objectified the woman, the better the ad and the higher the revenues.

Pornography is freely available to all, including children, with a simple search on a phone. It’s violent, dehumanizing, and falls within the spectrum of torture. Its victims are women and girls. Thanks to porn culture, the word “consent” has lost all meaning. In pornography, women say “no” while tears stream down their faces. Their pain and fear is real. The message received by men is, “do it harder, do it longer and make her suffer more.” Children huddle in small groups on school playgrounds during recess or lunch, watching degrading porn on the screen of that one kid who is allowed to bring a phone to school.

While young children are being educated about consent in schools, they are simultaneously getting contradictory messages from pornography, and learning that women are disposable objects.

Porn culture teaches girls that their value comes from the attention men and boys give them. In order to receive that attention, they have to morph themselves into an object for male pleasure. Boys have learned from pornography that they have a right to use and abuse women and girls. Some boys and men have been so convinced of this that when told “no” by women, they become enraged and filled with hatred.

Adolescent girls and young women are more objectified today than at any other time in history. The toys they play with, the clothes they wear, the movies and television programs they watch, and the online and video games they play all present women and girls as disposable sex objects.

“Sex doll brothels” are a symptom of the larger problem of misogyny — the rights of men continue to supersede those of women. Until women’s human rights are respected, women will continue to be no more than disposable objects.

And what, after all, is more disposable than a silicone doll? When it is done being used by a man it’s cleaned up and moved along to another user. When it is broken down, torn, battered, and no longer useful, it is tossed out with the trash. Sounds like what life is like for many real women, doesn’t it?

Tell me again how silicone sex dolls are harmless male fantasies.

We shouldn’t be surprised we are here in 2018. What is surprising and should cause outrage is how so many people allowed us to get here.

Megan Walker is Executive Director of the London Abused Women’s Centre.

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  • Meghan Murphy

    “Men no longer need women. So we won’t even talk to you anymore. ”

    lolllllll tell that to all the dudes talking to me all the time.

  • marv

    Terrific project. Another typical excuse is, “we will rape live women if we can’t fuck these dolls”.
    Somebody likely already offered this unreason but I couldn’t see it when I posted. Maybe pending.

  • Blazewarrior

    Fourth paragraph succinctly states why men are creating their female sex dolls! Excellent analysis by Megan Walker and this is exactly what Radical Feminists said would happen when they opposed mens’ lies and mens’ claims that mens’ porn industry is ‘harmless male sexualised fantasies!’

    Men working in their vile women-hating porn industry are desperate to create yet more profitable images/products because there is a limit as to what men can do to women (or is there?) so now the women-hating boys have created the ultimate disposable female for men to rape and inflict sadistic male sexual violence upon! Says a great deal about pandemic male hatred for women and girls – given the males collectively continue to enact ‘a deafening silence’ because male sex right to female bodies is sacrosanct which is why females exist!

    Males using these disposable female dolls will hone their skills regarding inflicting sadistic male sexual violence upon them and then swiftly move on to real women. Of course when a male is charged with sadistic male sexual violence inflicted on a woman/women he will claim ‘wah I was in thrall to the “female sex doll” and so I am not responsible – cos I have an addiction! This pathetic male excuse will be swiftly accepted by his male supremacist legal system and so it will continue – male sex right to inflict sadistic male sexual violence will always be accompanied with ‘wah we males can’t help it we are victims too!’

    Question? Where are the male sex dolls so that males who enjoy inflicting sadistic sexual violence upon other males can also hone their torture skills?

  • will

    “Now we have our dolls, we don’t need you anymore!” (See above)

  • Meghan Murphy

    The majority of ‘people’ don’t watch porn… While some women watch porn, its primary audience is men.

  • Meghan Murphy

    lol no. They’re talking to me because they’re my friends, acquaintances, men I’m dating or who are trying to date me, etc

  • Robert Gonzalez

    Because at best a sex doll merely puts a miniscule band-aid on the huge, bleeding gash that is misogyny. It does nothing to address that awful wound that has yet to heal. Women suffer at our hands because too many of us men treat women like expendable objects. How is a literal objectified hunk of silicone in the shape of a woman going to help put an end to misogyny which is based primarily on sexual objectification? Are we men just that disgusting that we must fuck something or we’ll lose our fucking minds? As a man I can tell you that I don’t go insane if I haven’t had sex for a long period of time, with a woman or with woman-shaped object. So I do know it’s possible for men to not rape women or lose their minds when they cannot have consenual sexual intercourse with a woman.

    Sadly, many men DO act like they need constant sexual gratification from women. Is it because women are cruel to us and do not give us enough chances? Are women just completely clueless about our special snowflake male sexuality? Or is it more likely that we men need to learn to treat women like actual human beings, rather than objects? Personally, I believe that it’s the latter reasoning. We men have absolutely no reason to be upset at women. I do not blame women for men’s pornofied sexualities – – I blame men. We are responsible for our own sexuality. We do not have to be penetrating something to be happy. The blame is squarely upon us. I support men being held completely accountable for our shitty beliefs. I support women being free of misogyny. I support anything that promotes the end of misogny and objectification of women; therefore, I do not support sex dolls.

    Final question for you: Do you support child sex dolls for pedophiles?

    • mail_turtle

      “How is a literal objectified hunk of silicone in the shape of a woman going to help put an end to misogyny which is based primarily on sexual objectification? Are we men just that disgusting that we must fuck something or we’ll lose our fucking minds?”

      Yes, that’s why sex is used in advertizing over and over: if you want a guys’ attention… it works every time. I do believe that for most men, if they knew they would never have sex (again) with another person, they would not see much point in life. The dolls are a substitute for the person, and if they are realistic enough, they will probably do the trick.

    • oneclickboedicea

      Robert, I need you to send me a toe nail clipping for my clone the world you want project – right now!

  • Robert Gonzalez

    What exactly is she doing against me and other men? I have seen no evidence of a crusade she’s waging against all men. Meghan has been nothing but respectful to me.

  • Robert Gonzalez

    Of fucking course. Yes, a dildo is exactly like a fucking 5′ 5″ feet tall hunk of fucking silicone in the shape of a nude womam. God, they are so fucking stupid.

  • Robert Gonzalez

    Hahahaha!

  • Meghan Murphy

    I skimmed this comment, but am not reading the whole thing. What on earth does it have to do with the topic at hand??

    • The first three lines are the comment about the topic at hand: getting consent could be viewed as having to do a lot of work, and in our actual society children (and more generally, people) are taught that they can (and even they should) “have it all, quickly and easily”.

      The rest is a quite serious issue and I suggest to read it, because it’s a real threat.

      • Meghan Murphy

        I agree that FGM is a very serious issue, but you’re going to have to summarize your argument more clearly and succinctly, in terms of how it relates to the topic at hand.

        • Jani

          I think it’s a dude trying to talk about his dick. But in a very roundabout way.

  • FierceMild

    Use your hand, fuck each other, or learn to be attractive to women.

  • FierceMild

    “If the majority of people watch porn sometimes…” that still wouldn’t make it morally or ethically acceptable. Ethics aren’t crowdsourced areas of consensus. They are reasoned ideas of the good.

  • FierceMild

    Word

  • FierceMild

    Why are you scare quoting “talking?”

  • Hekate Jayne

    I don’t know what Meghan sees.

    But I see an asshole. Can’t miss it.

  • Hekate Jayne

    You say:
    “Competition is for losers, winners do not compete: winners just manage to be the only one.”

    Sad news, bro. You are not the only bloviating asshole dudebro in this thread. But you are the biggest.

    You competed. And you are winning.

    Who is paying you to be this big of an asshole? Or are you just that ignorant?

    Thanks for the laugh, though. “Common sense is your worst enemy”? You wouldn’t know that, lol.

  • Anonomega

    Not sure how that’s an issue. If it was just masturbation I wouldn’t need a doll. this is enhanced masturbation, or simulated sex. Not ideal sex but better than nothing.

  • Anonomega

    So if a guy stays home he’s still a “sad fuckup of a loser”. I wonder if you’d like it I had such a cruel opinion of a woman who was fat or old or disfigured.

    And what does this loser gain from abstaining from such a thing? Nothing changes in his life, he’s just more sexually frustrated.

    • Morag999

      “And what does this loser gain from abstaining from such a thing?”

      Self-control? A sliver of dignity? Some extra cash that can instead be used to access edifying books, or other cultural products which enrich our lives, such as tickets to the theatre, rather than on a fuck-doll? Time spent communing with nature, near trees or a river, rather than with a silicon facsimile of flesh? Time spent, perhaps, in a tent or cabin, cooking a good meal over a fire, rather than in the closed, unhealthy, sad and sordid environment of sex doll brothel? Or, even — if you would dare to imagine it — a healthier conscience, for not having objectified/abused an effigy of the female sex?

  • Anonomega

    It depends on what he really means when he says “talk to” women. I’m guessing he means hitting on them. Plenty of people on this site seem to want men to stop doing this. One commenter went so far as to suggest men owe it to women to never so much as approach them no matter how politely, even if itdooms them to celibacy.

    I’ve got no problem with simply talking to women normally. the fact that I may want to use a doll has no bearing on my respect for women as human beings.

  • susannunes

    Are you for real? This is one longwinded, demented post. This is the same demented “reasoning” used for legalizing prostitution.

    The purpose of the dolls is to dehumanize women. These dolls shouldn’t even be allowed to exist. Using a hand instead of an object representing a woman or a child accomplishes the same thing but without the dehumanization factor.

  • susannunes

    Men have no right to exploit others in order to facilitate masturbation. That is the bottom line.

  • susannunes

    They don’t even realize they have a paraphilia, which is a nice way of saying they are perverts.

  • Do not exaggerate, they do not want to ban vibrators and fleshlights: vibrators aren’t objectification of men just like fleshlights aren’t objectification of women.

  • Hands are pretty inefficient, vibrators and fleshlights do the job much better.

    • oneclickboedicea

      Lol, literally just cant believe you believe your hands are pretty inefficient at wanking yourself off!

  • oneclickboedicea

    Men dont say they hate women, it would reveal them as psychopaths … but they show it in their actjons, the kind of media they buy, the way they support sex slavery. Most burglars don’t go around saying ‘hey, i am a burglar’, they just break into people’s houses … same with sex based psychopathy, men are diseased in general whether they know it or not

    • OldPolarBear

      Great analogy! The only way in which I might qualify anything in your comment a bit is, just as a burglar might find it acceptable, or even useful, to say, “I’m a burglar” in a certain setting with certain people, men can and do say they hate women* when they are in certain groups of other men. It starts in puberty, with teenage boys raving about “those [fill in the nasty, misogynistc slurs here] who” won’t put out, are cock teases, etc. etc. It was one of the many contradictions that baffled me as a closeted gay boy. I thought, “if they hate girls so much, why are they obsessed with having sex with them?” OTOH, I liked girls mostly, but wasn’t interested in having sex with them. I’ve heard variations of the hateful comments up through my 20s; beyond that I haven’t mostly hung out with men much, certainly not straight men.

      *And yeah yeah, I know #notallmenz and so on, blah, blah.

  • Meghan Murphy

    But these dolls don’t reduce male violence… Just as the accessibility of porn and prostitution don’t reduce male violence. Acting out violent, sadistic fantasies does not reduce men’s desire to act out violent, sadistic fantasies.

  • Hekate Jayne

    Your flaccid little attempt at insulting me is just as sad as the rest of your bullshit.

    Do better or shut the fuck up.

  • Hekate Jayne

    I am sure that you are absolutely right.

    Whenever I read the words of males, I can see why they rely on violence to maintain their status. They all sound like little boys with the matching attitude. If keeping themselves on top of the hierarchy required the tiniest bit of intellect, understanding nuance, or creative thinking, they would all be fucked.

    So good luck to the little fellas with putting Meghan Murphy in her place. Or any woman here, for that matter.

    I mean, every male complaint here equates to “OMG, hole for my dick, need a dick hole, oh GAWD, where can I put my dick???” It’s not even entertaining. They are just sad, lol.

    • Luka

      They got a hole they can put their dick in: the mouth they constantly use to say condescending misogynistic bullshit to women. 🙂

  • marv

    Male football contests are masculinity orgies: adversarial, dominance, violent . The cheerleaders perform a highly sexist role as living sex dolls. Football traditions and synthetic sex dolls are glaring examples of patriarchal gender engineering. Someday I hope all of it be abolished.

  • marv

    Yeah, we have had regular porn for ages making women’s lives less secure, and men’s existential crisis hasn’t been solved. How could 3D porn realistically lead to improvement? New technologies are not alchemy to do the trick of stopping male violence. They exacerbate it.

  • Alienigena

    “He thinks that these dolls are creepy because it’s like fucking a corpse.”

    But some want to and do fuck unconscious women (inebriated, drugged) and have no qualms about it. Celebrities like Cosby, that student athlete in California. I was re-watching some episodes of the BBC crime drama Luther and one episode mentioned something called necro-porn (the male cop removes a teenager from a porn shoot that involves necro-porn) which is the act of having sex with an unconscious or dead person and filming it. I had to stop watching it, out of disgust. There are so many things wrong with the necro-porn scenario – indignities to living and dead, profiting from exploiting women even after death, etc. I think the writers of the series made up the term.

  • Tobysgirl

    Yes! Right up there with HIMpathy.

  • Tobysgirl

    I’ve wondered about this for a long time. All the money men spend on prostitutes, strip clubs, porn, sex dolls! Then you can add in drugs and booze, and you see why giving women money improves lives since they spend it on their children, and giving men money is pointless. I believe in a guaranteed income, but only for women.

    • TwinMamaManly

      Oh hear hear!!!

  • Tobysgirl

    Years ago I told a friend after meeting her parents that they “seemed nice.” She asked me what I could possibly know about her parents after meeting them, and I took her point quite seriously. It’s something we all need to remember when we say someone we don’t know really well “seems nice.”

    • Jani

      Yes, plenty of nasty people “seem nice” on first impressions. That’s definitely true.

      But FFS, our learned “friend” here gets it all from a fucking movie so it would appear that he has a bit of trouble working out fantasy from reality. But I guess we knew that anyway;)

  • Tobysgirl

    Thank you for this comment. Remember what women have been saying about Harvey Weinstein? He got off on their fear — this is what rapists do. Even if a sex doll is programmed to say in a computerized voice, “No, no, don’t do that,” it is not at all the same for a sick predator as a real, live victim. I realize that this is why fighting rapists is so effective — if you’re not overcome with fear, they’re not getting their turn-on.

  • Tobysgirl

    When you are the oppressor class, you are told all your life you needn’t stop doing anything, that whatever you choose to do is your right. I know you know this. I think most men find it inconceivable that they need to change their behavior, that they are far from being human in the best sense of the word, that they are in fact as despicable, irrational and gross as you say in your comments.

  • Tobysgirl

    Good question. I find it utterly repulsive that a male would want to use a plastic doll to ejaculate in. Ewwwww and double ewwwwww. No wonder women say their vibrators are better than any man they ever had sex with.

  • Robert Gonzalez

    Mother of God. Fucking Pistol Puppy was right!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c7346afed8c8d4113ddf6d13efb531f5267b653c7314aa829e2c207306e46f32.png

    (I was watching Korean music videos and this scene just happened to pop up. Coincidence? I think not.)

  • Meghan Murphy

    Why?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Can you provide studies to back this up?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yeah, Germany and the US are totally not misogynistic countries… ?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yeah, 30 per cent is a minority. I am well aware that women watch porn. Porn culture impacts women too, you know… Also, many of those women are watching with men, watching to impress or please men.

    I am a women, and know lots of women. I know which of my friends watch porn and which do not. So please don’t try to ‘educate’ me in this realm thx.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I’m outgoing and friendly, yes. I like socializing and I like meeting people.Though I would prefer you not categorize women here as ‘man-hating’, when they are, in fact, justifiably angry at men….

  • Meghan Murphy

    I don’t believe this is because of porn or prostitution or sex dolls, though.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I’ve said and written many times over that women internalize misogyny, objectification, and porn culture. I am well aware that women participate in this culture also.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Wanting to ‘do things’ to something that is meant to be a replica of a woman, but isn’t human, seems to dehumanize women, to me.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Says who?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Women as a whole are not beating and raping men… There’s a difference between being angry at a few individual women and being angry at all women, as a whole…

  • Meghan Murphy

    lol no. I mean irl.

  • Meghan Murphy

    That’s ridiculous. Finding a person attractive doesn’t objectify them. Obviously we all find various people attractive and others not.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Germany is a cesspool of misogyny.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I suppose if you believe people are not impacted by the world/society/culture around them, then you could call internalized misogyny ‘made up’, but that would make you stupid.

  • Morag999

    Well, I wouldn’t bother giving my approval to a man who put a tremendous effort into resisting any of his misogynist compulsions. Including the self-reinforcing compulsion to debase the female sex via an inanimate surrogate.

    I would hope that avoiding doing that type of harm to others and self would be rewarding in itself. But if abstaining from the sexual objectification and use/abuse of females — in fact or fantasy —feels to a man like “self-denial” then that means that his sex drive is bound to, and dependent on, women’s lower, reduced status. That the two — one organic and harmless, the other constructed and harmful — are one thing.

    So, you see, it does no good to cry and cry about your drives and desires and your pains and denials. We don’t give a shit. Why would we care about your desires when they are inextricably tied to our subordination?

  • Meghan Murphy

    It comes from feminist film theory and is connected to the male gaze, wherein the camera, for example, pans up a woman’s body, focusing on sexualized body parts. It is the thing where you cut up women’s bodies into pieces, separating her sexualized body from her self/mind — she becomes a thing to look at and to titillate, a series of holes to be fucked, a thing that exists for the looker/for male pleasure, not an autonomous, complex, full human being.

  • Meghan Murphy

    No idea but that’s not the point. Look at society and how women are treated. Prostitution and pornography are rife in Germany. https://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/05/09/legalization-has-turned-germany-into-the-bordello-of-europe-we-should-be-ashamed/

  • Ada

    “She asked what a person being a fail at dating should do, and I suggested to behave out of usual schemes.”

    She didn’t ask for dating advice, you dummy. She just pointed out there are numerous single women who are not succesful in dating but they don’t go on killing sprees or demand enforced monogamy or congregate on forums and spew violent hateful stuff or hire prostitutes/ male sex dolls or any other shit men do on regular basis because they are entitled assholes.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I agree that many of his comments are ridiculous, long winded, misogynist, annoying, and delusional. But please don’t tell me how to moderate. Refusing to read women’s work here because there is a shitty commenter makes no sense to me. People are in here all the time who are sexist, who I don’t like, and who I don’t agree with.

    For the record, I have not been approving all his comments, and have deleted many of them.

    Robert: please stop taking up so much space in the comment section. No one else leaves as many long winded comments as you and you’re pissing people off.

    • Robert Lindsay

      Just to clear up one thing.

      A lot of the women on here are insisting that I have admitted to raping women. Not true.

      There is a legal definition of rape that I subscribe to:

      1. Use of force or the threat of force.
      2. Drugging a woman (slipping her a Roofie)
      3. Sex with a passed out woman. A severely drunken woman passing in and out of consciousness also counts.

      Hell no, I have never done any of those things, and thank God for that.

      That’s it. Anything less than that, and it’s not rape. It might be a dick move that needs a punch in the face, but he hasn’t broken any laws.

      So, have I ever committed gray rape dick moves so bad that I deserved a punch in the face? Thank God, not.

      Then there is the feminist version of rape that goes way beyond the legal definition into all sorts of idiotic bullshit that’s not even illegal. And of course I have committed “feminist rape” (which isn’t even against the law), and hopefully I will continue to do so. Very proudly also.

      I hope I cleared that up.

  • Meghan Murphy

    It’s not *just* a radical feminist space… Obviously radical feminist analysis and women are prioritized, but this space is for everyone — for the public. It’s for people to think and learn. I don’t *want* this to be a space where people can’t disagree or say stupid things, in large part because I find the responses, disagreements, and debates to be educational.

    • Ada

      I agree but surely there are limits how far this “education” can go. He is very annoying and he won’t change or leave unless he is kicked out of here.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Talking about ‘patriarchy’ is not exactly the same as ‘blaming men’. This is a system, deeply interwoven into many aspects of society. Women are responsible for pushing back, too, yes. But there is also an explanation for why/how women are socialized to behave in this way.

  • marv

    It is a class issue. Fucking dolls – who represent the female class below males – is a signifier of class dominance. If the women dolls were brown, black or disabled (lacking a limb in a wheelchair) the white male customer would be dismissed by many as racist and ablest. When the user and the used are of the same race and ability there is unwillingness by you to see it as sex class discrimination and degradation.

  • Ada

    “Thing is, gay men have excellent taste in men, much better than women do. They are quite picky about their men and who’s hot or not.”

    Because they are just as superficial and entitled as straight dudes. Btw, I see many good looking women with ugly men, but rarely the other way around. That’s because of patriarchy, there is a shortage of quality men because standards for men are very low. Even the most good looking women rarely get the whole package so they prioritise and rarely put looks on the first place.

  • Ada

    We don’t want your friendship Robert, we just want you to piss off from this site ASAP.

  • Ada

    I know what he means. He wishes all women would behave like they do in porn, eager and happy to please every single twisted fantasy he has without wanting anything in return.

  • Ada

    “You’re not even 1% rational.”

    You are the most irational person here, dude.

    • Jani

      Hahahaha!! You know when these MRAs or whatever are peeing their pants by the time they start coming out with the “women are irrational” crap. They’re typically making no sense at all by this stage. The next stage is usually throwing the toys out of the pram.

  • I just googled “Tumblr porn blogs” as you suggested, the first link says “8 Hottest Tumblr Porn Accounts To Masturbate To – Bustle”.
    I don’t see references to violence there, among the names there are:
    Boobs Are Cool
    Hey It’s April
    Erotic Storybook Saturday
    Orgasmic Tips For Girls
    How To Make Me Come

  • Ada

    “At a much lower rate, they also women, but it looks like they deliberately select other men for murder and they vastly underselect women for murder. So men go out of their way to murder other men, and on the other hand, they go out of their view to avoid murdering women in comparison.”

    Jesus, you are so stupid. Men kill for benefits They kill other men because they want to get rid of the rival or take their money…. Majority of women get killed when they try to leave their abusive partners when they can’t be used as domestic servants anymore.

  • Wren

    ” exercising is not exorcising”
    Seriously!!! If that were the case, men who consume porn would feel free and easy after a couple wanks, not the need to continue for hours on end, not sleep, miss work, get fired, move into mother’s basement, stop going outside, shower maybe once a month, and of course never date an actual woman again…until mother finds him with dick in hand, dead on the floor, choked on a chicken wing.

    • Elara

      «until mother finds him with dick in hand, dead on the floor, choked on a chicken wing.» Lmao!

  • Jani

    Anyone who pays to use these dolls is fucking stupid. They are being robbed right and left. A fool and his money, hahahahaha. It’s like a sick dystopian joke but so, so sinister too.

  • Jani

    Apparently women chase him down the street because he was “almost” a “male model” but he prefers to “peer-review” some sort of research papers. Probably the paper he wipes his ass on.

  • Jani

    I’m surprised there isn’t a “mother” doll who can make tea and mop floors.

  • Hekate Jayne

    I understand what you are saying. But the issue is that males say that they are going to be violent, end of. Read the pathetic males in this thread, about how they insist that males are going to rape, and that essentially, we need to shut up because they like rape, they have always raped, and they have no intention of stopping.

    I believe them when they insist that they are just broken in that way. I also understand that they are too ignorant to see patterns in their own behavior, we have evidence of their dreadful intellectual inadequance all over this thread. Their ignorance combined with their love of violence and refusal to control their behavior continues to be deadly to women and girls.

    So when they show us that they are this fucking stupid and choose violence, and they insist that they won’t stop, then they need to turn on each other. Let’s have court cases where they choke each other to death with face fucking and get away with it, where they rape each other and blame the victim for what he was wearing. Let’s see one of them rape 14 other males and watch all of them believe the rapist and denigrate the victims. Let’s see what happens when they rape little boys and are let go because a court rules that the 7 year old boy consented, or that the 11 year old boy wasn’t “violently penetrated”. Let’s watch what happens when males marry 11 year old boys for religious reasons while the law ignores it.

    Because if males turned this behavior onto other males, it would immediately STOP. Males see each other as human beings that are not to be used as fuck toilets. Kevin spacey had his career ruined on the word of one male because males won’t tolerate males using other males as dick receptacles. Compare that to the males that had dozens of female accusers, how the males go unpunished.

    Males only understand that they are stripping our humanity when they have their own stripped. Let them rape and kill each other. We could use the fucking break.

  • Hanakai

    In today’s news: Italy’s first sex doll brothel has been raided by police and shut down a mere nine days after opening amid allegations and fears that the dolls were not cleaned properly after each use. Health authorities are investigating claims of lack of cleanliness. Men were paying about $100 for 30 minutes with a sex doll.

    Italy’s first sex doll brothel, LumiDolls Torino in Turin was raided by police nine days after opening on September 3. It was found to be breaking laws on renting out accommodation.

    Photos here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6162809/Italys-sex-doll-brothel-raided-police-CLOSED-just-nine-days-opened.html

    • Jani

      Yes, and “hygiene” appears to have been an issue. Gross, isn’t it?

      • Hanakai

        Yes, absolutely. These dolls would be tremendous disease vectors. If you have any idea of how difficult it is to create a sterile field or sterilize medical instruments, you can see the problems involved with these sex-dolls. And if the dolls would have to be sterilized after each pervert, as one would think public health regulations would require, it is hard to imagine that the business would make any profit.

        In cleaning medical instruments, first obvious debris is cleaned with soap, water and alcohol. Then the instruments are autoclaved. An autoclave, or steam sterilization machine, is a pressure-cooker-like machine that sterilizes or disinfects by use of pressure, temperature and steam. For the sex dolls, you would need a HUGE autoclave, since the whole doll would have to go in the pressure chamber. After autoclaving, surgical instruments are also often exposed to UV light and then further chemical disinfectant.

        Most sex dolls are made of a plastic, PVC, polyvinyl chloride, or silicone. An item being sterilized needs to be in the autoclave for 15 to 30 minutes at a temperature of 250 degrees F (or 120 degrees Celsius). The PVC starts melting at 212 degrees F, and the silicone weakens and decomposes at autoclave temperatures. The problem is obvious.

        So, if the sex-doll business is actually sterilizing the dolls after use, they may as well be replacing them, as the sterilization process will destroy them, not to mention any electronics in them. Sex-dolls cost from $3,000 to $15,000. I would think about health department would come in and see that the businesses are not and cannot meet standards for sterilizing the dolls. In any event, this is how these sex-doll brothels can be stopped, by getting health regulations passed.

        The thought of having to handle or disinfect a used brothel sex-doll is beyond gross. I would want to be in Hazmat Level A protective suit before going near it.

        Some pix and info on sterilization here: https://www.scienceabc.com/innovation/what-is-an-autoclave-and-how-does-it-work.html

  • Alawon.B

    OMG! You guys just don’t stop do you? Citing absolutely no credible scientific study you’re claiming men taking out their violent fantasies on sex dolls will be *less* likely to act out on women and girls. There is no evidence of this. You’re making assumptions. And you’re doing so BECAUSE you ultimately believe men have a RIGHT to sex. And they simply don’t.

  • Jani

    “No matter what you do with women, you’re always wrong and bad, and they always hate your guts.”

    No, it’s the assholes and losers we don’t care much for. Most of the heterosexual women here have far higher standards in terms of education, intellect, interests and skills when it comes to choosing a mate. From what you seem to believe women like sexually, you’re almost certainly a lousy lover. You’re more a figure of fun around here.

  • Jani

    In my country this dude would be sectioned under the Mental Health Act. He’s clearly not right in the head and is a danger to others.

  • Meghan Murphy

    For whatever reason, I actually didn’t see the comment you were responding to, so read it as a stand alone comment. My apologies.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I don’t get it.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Do you think men reading here take him seriously though?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yes the sexual fantasies are gross. I deleted a bunch, but honestly don’t have time to read through all his comments, so just skim, which means that probably some things I may have otherwise deleted got through.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Totally.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I’m sorry. I realize that would be very triggering for you… I’ve tried to remove some of the worst, but will try to be more diligent.

  • Hekate Jayne

    I am pretty sure that he is in a room that he can’t get out of due to doorknobs being a modern marvel of engineering that he is unable to figure out.

    His caretaker will be along shortly to help him with the mystery of the doorknob. Until then, he will continue to post. I mean, he is so successful and smarty smart in his manthinkies, yet, he can’t donate to FC while creating boring novels of male drivel for Meghan to read.

    In addition to being pathetic, rapey, and delusional, we can add cheap to the list. I am pretty sure that he hasn’t ever actually talked with a woman. Must be why he is so financially strapped, saving up for his plastic fuck corpse.

    He is at ease here. Is there a place where males aren’t at ease? I haven’t found any.

  • Robert Lindsay

    I believe modern feminism is not just only for women but it is actively hostile towards and seeks to harm and damage us men, so I don’t feel like being an ally.

  • Robert Lindsay

    You are damn right that the extremism of modern man-hostile feminism birthed MRA’s. A number of the original founders openly said so.

  • I don’t know about sex dolls but regarding fleshlights textures are overrated: the kind and the quantity of lube make the main difference.
    Just like it happens with the real thing.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I definitely do not know him or have any connection with him. He’s just some rando internet man like any of the others.

  • Meghan Murphy

    The detailed descriptions of your supposed sexual experiences with women.

  • Misanthropia

    I have a blog but I only use it for aesthetic/artistic stuff. Over here on Feminist Current I say my thoughts on feminism and patriarchy.

  • Morag999

    I think you’re on to something regarding this man being on the decline … like, perhaps the tools in his user-abuser’s toolkit aren’t as sharp as they used to be. Maybe he’s just beginning to realize that, going forward, they will only become more dull.

    The usual aging processes, looming impotence, dwindling supply… something like that. And so he’s mad as hell, and feminists are to blame. How can he show women who’s boss, if he can’t even trick or intimidate them into becoming his audience?

    But I’ve no doubt he’s left harmed, possibly traumatized, women in his wake. And that he wants to do more harm, lest his artificially-inflated ego deflates. With masculinity, especially sex-obsessed masculinity, and/or certain personality disorders, that’s akin to dying.

  • ptittle
  • ptittle

    Maybe to short out with wonderful electrocution at just the right moment …

  • ptittle

    That’s so funny: “a penis dragging an idiot behind it”!

    • Hekate Jayne

      I am going to draw a cartoon!

  • ptittle

    My guess is they can’t. And they’re sure as hell not going to take testosterone inhibitors. Because, as we all know, to be a man = to be violent. So back to … they won’t. (In addition to they can’t.)

  • ptittle

    I think there’s a significant and understated difference between women under 30 and women over 40. (Those in their 30s can go either way, depending on their maturity, experience, etc.)

    And most women, at least in most so-called developed countries, I think, are over 40.

    (Unfortunately, and for reasons we all understand, the minority, women under 30, get most of the media exposure.)

  • hello, hello.

    Poor malez. That is obviously truly happening!!!11!

  • ptittle

    Yeah, I’m getting tired of that as well – dominating the conversation and the space … and his tone (being here to teach us) … I’m starting to skim through the comments on FC, and I used to read every last one of them so carefully …

    (Plus I have to admit I just can’t take a sixty-year-old-man who has his MOM do his laundry seriously.)

    • Hekate Jayne

      I blocked him. Now I can’t see him anymore. It’s kind of funny, because even blocked, it’s like there are these huge manholes on the page.

      I knew he had to live with his mom. Wonder why he doesn’t get one of the multitude of feeeeeeemales that chase his OMG SEXAY, much, much sought after ass to do his laundry.

      I mean, he is just so super smart. His brain cell gave us “but letting males rape children stops males from raping children if we take video of the males raping children so that males that want to rape children have actual child rape to wank to”.

      We all know exactly what male says that.

      • Wren

        He’s a supposedly a brilliant therapist who apparently does it for free since he can’t give Meghan even $5.

        I asked this question earlier, but how did you block him?

  • ptittle

    Yeah, I just posted a quick comment about thousands and thousands of people fleeing for their lives from North and South Carolina, but there may not be room in some destination hotels because — football. Apparently there’s a game scheduled and visiting fans have booked the rooms. WTF.

  • ptittle

    Exactly. So child abuse is added …

  • ptittle

    You know, if the dolls were black male dolls marketed to white men to ‘play’ with (lynching set and whipping post sold separately), there would be no debate. No debate. The company would be sued in a heartbeat. And they’d lose. Big time.

    • Hierophant2

      With the pro-slavery stuff coming out from the BDSM community lately, I’m not so sure

      • FierceMild

        Are they really doing that?! (too scared to google)

  • Hekate Jayne

    I blocked him. I highly suggest it.

    He was mostly ignored, which is when he ramped up his misogynist rhetoric to gain attention. I interacted with him, like a lot of us, which gave him what he wanted. This is obviously the only way that he can get attention from women that are not his mom.

    So I disappeared him from my feed. Everyone will go back to ignoring him, anyway. He is not even annoying, anymore, he is just boring. And now I can’t see him.

    • Wren

      You blocked him on disqus?? How?

      • will

        I just checked.

        It says, “On a user’s profile, the blocking option may be accessed in the menu next to the Follow button for their profile.”

        Done and done. Thanks Hekate Jayne!

  • Hekate Jayne

    I am sure you are familiar with the “nofap” movement, but for those that aren’t, they are a group of males that have chosen to stop masturbating to porn because they could no longer get or maintain an erection. Then they form up in a very sad cluster of perpetually floppy and sad Dudebros to crycry at each other about how porn was the most wonderful thing for their boner, until it wasn’t. Somehow, they recognize that porn has wrecked their sexual response with the need to escalate in order to get a boner, and these guys decide that instead of escalating, they are going to stop watching porn and wanking, at least for a while, to get back a somewhat normal sexual response.

    And then they talk about the evils of porn, because they have figured out that porn is BAD. And by bad, they mean it’s bad for their boner. And the women and little girls that are raped on film for boners aren’t ever mentioned.

    They are disgusting. BUT. Instead of escalating to real life violence (that we know of), they decided to stop. They stop out of pure self interest. But they still stop.

    But most males feel like they shouldn’t have to stop. And these dolls give rapey males an outlet so instead of stopping, like they might have, they can keep the boner going.

    These are creatures that rape babies and dead women and then use force of law to excuse each other for it. There are just too many of them to be as violent as they choose to be. And for all of the male talk about how they just can’t help but to rape, they sure can keep from raping each other.

    Did you see the story about the little girl that was raped for weeks by 2 of her 6 year old classmates? And the teachers saw it, didn’t tell anyone, and blamed her for it? It took over a month for her parents to figure it out because they knew something was wrong, but a 6 year old girl doesn’t have an understanding of rape in a way that she can verbalize it. That’s the affects of porn.

    At this rate, we are going to have to start culling them. And we also need sex selective abortion. There’s no other way to stop them.

  • radwonka

    *yawn*

    • Jani

      Yawn indeed!!

  • radwonka

    Very true. And vice versa saying that some things are a “need” when they are not can have dangerous consequences. (People will feel more entitled to pressure others)

  • Hekate Jayne

    Hey, rad, I am sorry that I abandoned you a while back. Do you still have an ID so that you can comment on my blog? I approved you, so your comments should show up immediately.

    I am in the hurricane at the moment. I haven’t been to my blog in a bit, but I will check in on it, but probably not until tomorrow night. My power is going to go out at any time now, I am using my devices sparingly.

  • FierceMild

    Most sports fans are into armchair domination by proxy. They are typically masculinity-obsessed and will waste resources (mental, emotional, and physical) on games while neglecting to live actual lives. Big nope for me.

    • Wren

      Interesting. I definitely don’t like dating football fans, since I fucking hate the game and hate having the TV on allll Sunday, and like you said, they completely forget to live their lives. Other sports I don’t mind so much. I’ve dated athletes, but they were mainly distance cyclists and runner, and it was a healthy outlet for them.

      However, I just hate it when people over-identify with teams. When people start talking about their sports teams and playoffs, and on and on, I just want to scream.

  • calabasa

    As a survivor of rape many times over and also a researcher of this phenomenon–of victimology, rape and rapists, and revictimization, including the mass scale of revictimization that is the sex industry–I can tell you just how much damage it has done to my sexuality. Does the fact that I have a mental desire to reenact my rape mean that I *liked* it? (If only! That might have saved me the ongoing torment that is PTSD and its many negative health effects).

    I have an idea: I’m going to find a nasty, nasty illustration of this eminently obvious effect of sexual abuse on female sexuality and come back later to post it here just for your dumb ass. You can jerk off to it as you like, you fucking prick.

  • calabasa

    You here shamelessly displaying your lack of intellect is like an old man with saggy balls proudly shaking them in women’s face at a nude beach.

    You are a living, breathing example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

  • calabasa

    You are so stupid, Robert. So achingly, heartbreakingly stupid.

    Go away.

  • calabasa

    Hey fuckface: tell that to me and all the other women of my age group who’ve been raped their whole lives by porn-loving men! You are so clueless. If ever a bug deserved to be squashed.

    Fuck off.

  • Jani

    “I think a nuanced approach should be taken”

    Ah yes. The N-word. Favoured by those who offer absolutely nothing other than a few cute buzzwords without offering lanything of substance.

    What exactly is YOUR “nuanced” approach. You ain’t saying anything at all.

    “They are in the future, not the present. You’re discussing something that still doesn’t exist yet.”

    Reality check: sex doll brothels exist and are up and running in several locations. One has just been raided and closed down in Italy. There’s one in Barcelona, there’s one in Moscow. There’s an application pending to open a sex doll brothel in Paris. There’s one ready to go in Toronto but for the authorities not appoving the business as it is currently proposed.

    Another reality check: you can buy animatronic sex dolls online, whether you’re an individual or if you’re planning on opening your own sex doll brothel.

    Now, do you still believe these dolls don’t exist?

    “People should have the freedom to indulge in their sexual thoughts and fantasies when they’re by themselves in privacy.”

    Ooh! Wow! How original!
    How old are you? 10?

    Do you think handing over your credit card details for the privilege of sticking your dick in a public-access silicone glory hole is some sort of private fantasy? Does that represent “freedom” in your mind?

    • Anonomega

      “’People should have the freedom to indulge in their sexual thoughts and fantasies when they’re by themselves in privacy.”

      Ooh! Wow! How original!
      How old are you? 10?’ ”

      Childish behaviour is resorting to insults without actually addressing the arguement.

      “Do you think handing over your credit card details for the privilege of sticking your dick in a public-access silicone glory hole is some sort of private fantasy? ”

      Yes, it is.

      “Does that represent “freedom” in your mind?”

      Yes, what is your problem with what people do in private.

      • Jani

        Yawn….

        • radwonka

          Lmao!!

      • radwonka

        The personal is political. We already answered your question a million of time. And you didnt reply to our arguments, you just ask loaded questions so dont give lessons about how a debate should be done pls

  • Hierophant2

    Yeah that’s … exactly what she was writing about. So you didn’t read the article at all.

  • Hierophant2

    I actually agree with you. As much as I like commenting here sometimes, I wouldn’t mind if all men were banned. It would probably improve discourse quite a bit.

  • Hierophant2

    They want *pornified* women who also wash, cook, clean, etc. I suppose sex dolls is the way to get half of that.

  • Hierophant2

    I couldn’t “get a real woman.” I was an MRA in all but name, for “Bob”‘s sakes. Never once did I think “gee, all I need is an inanimate object in the shape of a woman and I’ll have everything I desire.” That’s fucking stupid.

  • Hierophant2

    “in these cultures, teenage boys suffer extreme and mass predation by men.”

    NO KIDDING! REALLY???

  • Hierophant2

    That’s… not how sexuality works.

  • will

    ^^Hahaha!!^^

  • will

    …or “WALLOW-MANTEXT” :p

  • TwinMamaManly

    You are boring. We don’t like pontificating men belligerently TELLING us we are WRONG and you are RIGHT and the world is how YOU think it is.

    You are showing you don’t understand the slightest thing about what we are talking about. You don’t like it, so you dismiss it, even though there is PLENTY of evidence to support our arguments. And no, we don’t have to waste our time providing you references and educating you when it is you invading a radical feminist space.

    Go back to watching porn and eating your ma’s meatloaf in her basement.

  • TwinMamaManly

    But now it’s not democracy (if it ever was), it’s plutocracy.

  • FierceMild

    I ignore him because, unlike many other male commenters to whom I will respond, I think he’s actually unbalanced in a diagnosable way. I get the impression of a chemical imbalance in the brain somewhere along bi-polar lines.

    • Wren

      Possibly, but I have absolutely no pity for the piece of shit.

      • FierceMild

        Nope, no pity. Chemical imbalances do not make people misogynist pricks. He’s choosing that.

  • TwinMamaManly

    Okay. And how are these stats collated? Are they self-reported? Is a woman visiting as part of a sexual experience with a man counted separated? How do they know this? Are these unique visits, or are these people counted the same as a single use visitor and someone who logs on 20 times a day? What about once you visit how long do you stay for and how many videos do they watch? What if they leave it on but aren’t actively watching but come back later – is that one or two visits?

    Some context would be good here.

  • TwinMamaManly

    Says a voter of the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief. Did you take your meds this morning, your delusions seem particularly strong today.

  • TwinMamaManly

    Democracy is the BS fed to us by the plutocracy. Make no mistake we are run by plutocrats, not representatives of the people.

  • TwinMamaManly

    Shockingly, I’m not shocked. Lucky for her they just clean her up and put her back to work. Can robots get PTSD?

    This is a social catastrophe just waiting to happen.

  • TwinMamaManly

    None. Unless you count the ones damaged by performing in porn, being raped or brutalised in porn, or by violent partners or strange men hyped up on porn.

  • TwinMamaManly

    Ask Samantha the sex robot that, after her ordeal at the fair in Austria. Will she be nice to the men who broke her limbs and mounted her arms and left her dirty and broken? Or don’t they program PTSD? Perhaps the “empathy” feature could backfire here.

  • TwinMamaManly

    We ARE living in the real world. That’s why we are all seeking sanctuary on FC. To speak with other feminists and allies who have had the veil of patriarchy lifted.

    Yet, here you are, spouting BS, and making disingenuous correlations.

    Porn does NOT reduce male violence towards women you idiot.

    The conversations about incarceration and abortion are far too big to lump in here. How the fuck would abortion reduce violence? Actually don’t answer that, I don’t want to how to process whatever garbage you respond with.

  • TwinMamaManly

    Society was not always patriarchal. Inadequate men with nothing to offer and a fixation on fucking would not have survived. Yet here we are now, in modern day society, having to put up with it.

  • TwinMamaManly

    So you can’t stop raping, yet you call us irrational? You think you are more suited to run the world, make the rules, minister the religions, manage the institutions, provide the medical care….yet, at the base of it, all you want to do is subjugate and rape and brutalise women and children? Seems to me you are wholly unsuited for any position of authority whatsoever.

    Your stats are wrong too.

    Take your pills Robert, you’ll feel better.

  • TwinMamaManly

    And what happens when the silicon isn’t enough? The game console isn’t enough? Pornhub isn’t enough? Then they go and look for real, warm blooded women and take it out on them.

    Please take your silicon sexbot and fuck off. We get enough misogynistic BS out in the real world without having to put up with it from inadequate male keyboard warriors like you here. Your entitlement to whatever hole you want to fuck is pathetic and fucking tiresome.

  • TwinMamaManly

    So fuck off then Robert. We just hate whingey whiny man babies, inadequate men, like yourself. Men who choose to spend their time inserting themselves (as usual) into places they are not wanted or needed. You are also clearly full of shit. Why are you here?

  • TwinMamaManly

    Instead of expecting women to do this for you, how about you get your lazy bum off your mum’s basement couch and go do some research yourself.

  • TwinMamaManly

    When my husband was a policeman he caught a mortuary attendant raping the corpse of a young woman in the back of a hearse on the way to the funeral home. He also caught a taxi driver fucking a chicken with a trunk full of chicken corpses. I could go on and on about the sordid, depraved shit he regularly saw…and this was in a supposedly “good” area.

  • TwinMamaManly

    I bet if they could figure out a way to fuck a rabbit hole, they would….

  • TwinMamaManly

    And for the violent women! Don’t forget women are rapists too!

  • Wren

    Halle-fucking-luyah!!!! What a relief. Thank you so much for this info.

  • Meghan Murphy

    That’s not what she suggested.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I think that finding someone physically attractive need not separate their body from their being/humanity/mind. I don’t find random dicks attractive, for example, but of course I am attracted specifically to my partner/the person I am sleeping with, and his appearance/physical body.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Do you understand what socialization is? Women (and men) receive all sorts of messages, teaching them about what they are valued for and teaching them to hate themselves, that they have all these flaws that they must ‘fix’, that they are rendered invisible and worthless when they age or if they are ‘fat’. These messages come from media, advertising, those around them, the way they are actually treated in society, etc. Re: the rest of your arguments, you are being disingenuous in your responses to me, and manipulative.

  • FierceMild

    I sent one to your gmail, let me know if you don’t get it

  • Meghan Murphy

    Sorry for missing that!

  • Why do you care about what men expect?
    What it matters is what you (not you, I mean: a woman) expect from them, if they meet such expectations then good otherwise why should you care about what they want?
    Personal example: if a person don’t have a degree, totally lack sense of humor, and do not have an income at least similar to mine, then such person isn’t good for a relationship with me. What s/he expect is irrelevant and I don’t even need to be aware about what s/he want: if I’ll meet his/her criteria then things will proceed otherwise bye-bye.

    • Robert Gonzalez

      You’re thinking on a small local scale, Eric. It’s as if you think that no one’s actions have consequences Almost everything we do has an impact on everyone and everything around us, whether we perceive it or not. It’s like the person who throws their litter out of their car window while they’re driving. Sure, they might think “Oh, it’s just a little trash. Who cares? It’s not like it’s going to kill anyone.” Yeah, but the problem is that the littering individual isn’t alone. Many people out there do that same thing and have that same thought. And that trash compounds quickly and is composed of various materials which are either degradable or non-degradable (most likely). That has a very serious effect on not only the environment but also on us. We can agree on that right?

      A male’s expectations of females, whether good or bad do have a significant affect on females. Males have a bigger impact on the world, in general, than females do. So, using the littering analogy, you could say that for every bundle of trash you throw out of your car, a woman throws maybe 1/4th of that. Your thoughts and your actions linger and they have a much larger footprint, in other words.

      It’s like other women have already said on here — where exactly has the porn culture gotten us? Look at what women are expected to be like. Really look at how restrictive and repulsive those expectations actually are. And don’t give me bullshit about “Buy they are adults, they could choose to not obey them.” Sure, yeah, some can. Most cannot afford to. Most women still can’t even go to work at a professional setting and not wear heels. Are we making progress? Sure, in some ways. In other ways it’s getting worse.

      In summary, your expectations do impact women, even if you never physically interact with them again. Yes, that includes doll fuckers.

  • Sharpie

    This has to be the dumbest argument I’ve ever read. Porn and human rights are not connected, so your whole argument makes no sense. The presence of human rights for women also doesn’t equal less misogyny. Misogyny changed and assumed new forms, it didn’t disappear.

  • ptittle

    Not what I meant at all. I was responding to your “most women won’t agree with you [in wanting men to leave them alone]. My point was that most women over 40 probably DO agree, probably DO want men to leave them alone. And since women over 40 are in the majority, the statement is probably correct.

    (But because women under 30 get so much attention, people [men] ‘forget’ that they’re actually the minority, that most women are, in fact, NOT under 30, but over 40.) (Which would explain YOUR response, that ‘most women won’t agree with you’ — I suspect you were NOT imagining women over 40 …)

  • Meghan Murphy

    I feel like if a man were shy, awkward, or lonely, having sex with a sex doll would just make him feel worse. It just seems depressing. I feel like you’d have to be pretty messed up and a bit of a sadist to be into that kind of thing?

  • acommentator

    Certainly there is a broader variety of people on incel boards than the virulent one’s whos posts get copied. I believe it is a fact, though, that inceldom is in the main strongly alienated from normal people who have normal relationships. Other than being resentful, they largely ignore these people, focusing on a fantasy imagining of the supposed dating habits of the most attractive and desirable people. Its like if you ignored your average Jane or Joe and took all your cues about what people are like from celebrity gossip sites. Its ridiculous.

    As for your recollections of high school, mine are that the most attractive guys went steady with the most attractive girls. Not exactly surprising.

    Getting mad because more attractive people get treated like they are more attractive is silly. Nobody ever confused me with George Clooney. This is supposed to bother me?

    And in any case, high school is four years when you are a teenager. Most of life happens afterwards. I have been to a fair number of weddings. In none of them was either partner a “Chad” or Stacy.” A couple of these partners are pretty quirky. They all did fine for themselves.

  • corvid

    Not really comparable. We are talking about a complete simulacrum of a woman. Very different from a dildo.

  • acommentator

    “The key flaw in your argument is that rape and sexual assault are not about sex and never have been. They are about power, entitlement to women, fear and violence”

    I have read that argument often, but find it an odd one to make on a site that features radical feminist analysis. Is not part of that analysis that both men and women are socialized into a sexuality that revolves around dominance and submission. If that is true, than power, and the lack of power and sex are tied together.

    • I’m not really sure how to respond to that, because it sounds to me like you are trying to define/impose who is the purest form of radfem and split hairs? it implies that I am not “feminist enough” (mostly due to the non-essay length of my comment), or have I read it wrong?

      I certainly hope not.

      Of course they are tied together, however, in this instance, it was in response to a comment that it can somehow reduce rape because men will have a hole to stick it in.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Do you think that most men who seek out sex dolls or, say, prostituted women, are unemployed?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Because, under patriarchy, men are in a position of power and dominance. Yes, it also impacts men negatively in that they feel pressure to uphold masculinity, but patriarchy, as a whole, places men in a position of power and privilege, and women in a subordinate position. Under patriarchy, women are lesser than men and live in fear of male violence.

    The notion of ‘slut shaming’ and ‘body shaming’ (these are not terms I use, ftr. You’d know that if you were at all familiar with radical feminist analysis) exist in order to punish women for, well, everything. We are either sluts or prudes and our bodies are always wrong — even when those bodies are deemed fuckable, they are still, somehow, flawed and bad and gross. These ideas do not benefit women, they benefit capitalist systems like the beauty industry and the cosmetic surgery industry, both of which are run, largely, by men. Women, under patriarchy, learn that they should side with men, not women, and that they must compete with women to win over men, who will, they believe offer them power and protection (they don’t, of course). I could go on much longer but I am sick of explaining things to you that you could simply learn by reading.

  • Anonomega

    Oh yes oh woman, how dare I Express an opinion on anything. I’ll just accept whatever you define as dehumanizing without any argument just because you say so!

  • corvid

    Having to recognize and treat women like actual human beings sure sounds difficult for you, Peter. You can’t see me but I am crying many tears for your beleaguered peen.

    • Morag999

      Yup. The entire comment is one long rant about how women ain’t what they used to be — more firmly positioned under men’s thumbs, more like fembots than autonomous persons.

      Essentially, he’s suggesting that if we don’t like sex dolls, we should become more like them. Then everything would be better (for men).

  • Meghan Murphy

    I think it’s called ‘The Rules’? Though I believe it’s specific to getting a husband, and my understanding is that it’s incredibly barfy and sexist, but I haven’t read it and never will.

  • Blazing Fire

    I saw a few comments below from some dudes demanding why women are against these “dolls”, but not against some other, ahem, “tools” (or hands) that some use on their nether areas. (TBH, I’m bewildered by those “tools”/hand, but since they don’t bother anyone else or degrade anyone else, I don’t care about them). I guess some commentors would have already addressed it down the thread, but if it is ok, let me put it up here too:

    The answer is:

    If you burn firewood, and say you are doing it for warmth, and that you need it, you can be believed.
    But if you burn an effigy of your neighbor, and continue to burn effigies of persons belonging to a particular group, and if you say you are doing it because you need warmth, don’t expect people – especially those belonging to the target group – to believe you.

    The same way, if men scrub their areas using holes-in-the-walls/hand, which do NOT represent any living human, no one will bother.
    But if you are enacting a rape scene on an image of a woman, don’t ask us to believe that you are a nice guy just scratching an itch.

    Moreover, since the doll wouldn’t scream in pain or tell her parents/friends/police no matter what extreme violence is inflicted on her, men will (yes, definitely) normalize all that violence AND will force real women to bear the same without any complains and to think that it is normal (just see how so many teen girls these days end up with ruptured rectums and think that it is “normal”). That is exactly what feminists are trying to prevent.

    And, of course, please read the whole article too – it will answer a lot of such “questions”.

    • Hekate Jayne

      Males know this. They understand completely.

      It’s unfortunate that males are creatures that enjoy dehumanizing and demeaning women so much that they are unable to get a boner any other way.

      There are males that can relate to us, see us as human, and enjoy relationships with us. They are the minority. The overwhelming majority of males cannot function in any rational or reasonable way, they remove the human element from any interaction that they can. The sad side effect of choosing that miserable way of existing is that it desensitizes them even more than they are now to violence that they love and are unable to exist without.

      Along with lacking basic intellect to discern how detrimental their choices are, much less how their behavior forms a destructive and nasty pattern, they also lack the basic verbalization ability that it takes to discuss it in any kind of logical way. Their brains seem filled to capacity with HOLE FER MUH DICK NEED A HOLE OMG A HOLE FER MUH DICK, THO, WHERE IT BE, THO, WAAHWAAHWAAH.

      These are not beings that are suffering a surplus of genius. Their stupidity is frightening.

      • Djdj Jdjd

        I love how blunt and non-apologetic you are, it’s so refreshing and inspiring. Too many women are scared to hurt the poor menz feefees and hardly ever fight back as aggressively as they should.

        Today I read many misogynistic comments on YouTube from men invading every feminist video, and then there’s the countless misogynistic comments left on pretty much every website and social media platform on the internet. I don’t know how women still want to be with these parasites if that’s the way they talk about us, nevermind the countless cases of violence and abuse towards women and girls around the world. The brainwashing is strong, and we need more effective and quicker ways to overcome it because men destroy the world a little more everyday and soon we will run out of time if women don’t collectively wake up and start enforcing methods that will dismantle the patriarchy once and for all.

        • Hekate Jayne

          Do you know Mancheeze? Her original YouTube channel was brigaded, so she made another one. It was also brigaded, and as of a few days ago, she is permanently banned from YouTube.

          She is not man hate-y, at all. She sincerely believes that patriarchal court of law is going to side with women on the trans bullshit. She talks about male violence, porn, prostitution.

          Males had her removed from their platform. Permanently. Males own all major media by a vast majority. They do not want us to talk about MVAW, so they insure that we can’t.

          So she made a temporary channel to let us know. I commented to her and had a male try to intimidate me, threatening me with war, lol. Another user made a comment about males shutting us up, and the same male said “you are lucky that’s all we do”.

          I understand what he means. I have been attacked by that male before.

          But here is what I know, and you probably know it, too. And that is that this male that is threatening us is much, much more common than ones that would help us, or at the very least, not hurt us.

          And if males do want to hurt us, other males are afraid of them, too. So these males that are largely silent, and seem to just ignore it all, when pressed, they are going to side with males. Every time.

          We just do not understand what the danger is. We just don’t. And it’s not because we are stupid, it’s because we are so intimately entangled with them. We can’t see it, we don’t want to see it. I wish I didn’t see it. But ignoring it will not fix it, or stop them.

        • radwonka

          “misogynistic comments on YouTube from men invading every feminist video”

          that’s probably their only hobby lol

  • Hekate Jayne

    Still no evidence?

    SHOCKING. Said no one. Ever.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Patriarchy is not universal. It is widespread and has been around for a long time, but it has not always existed everywhere.

  • Meghan Murphy

    No, it’s about teaching women how to get a man to be in a relationship with you and marry you eventually. It teaches women to be feminine and passive, to never express real feelings or emotions, but to be ‘supportive’ and happy all the time, to play hard to get, let him be the boss, put a ton of effort into your appearance, and let him chase you etc etc. It’s just about reinforcing sexist ideas about men and women, under the assumption that every woman’s goal is to marry.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Seems to me that lots of underemployed and unattractive men have partners. Most men in this world are unattractive….

  • radwonka

    When I said “we” I meant everyone. More people should think about the norms in our society and how toxic it can be. If people refuse to be critical we wont progress. Thats what I meant. Sorry for the confusion

  • radwonka

    Yeah Hekate is so passionate, its really great to have her in our team. We need more radicals like her, I agree. 🙂

  • radwonka

    My ID is the same Hekate. In the meantime I will wait for your message 🙂

  • radwonka

    Excellent argument corvid! The pain women have to go through (puking, crying, forced to smile when they suffer, etc) is also real.
    Porn was never a fantaisie, and men are not “acting” or pretending when they abuse women, they really enjoy it. Which is why they are turned on and dont even feel bad about it.

    If it was a fantaisie, it wouldnt be real.

  • radwonka

    Ha thanks. At least someone understands my humor 😉

  • Meghan Murphy

    This seems a rather extreme interpretation of women’s desire not to be sexually harassed or assaulted…

    • Monsterette

      Nice try but my comment wasn’t an interpretation of women’s desire not to be harrassed at all. It was about what feminists are trying to achieve and how, and ofcourse i support it completely.

      And besides the fact it wasn’t about women’s desire, what i said was all about; men will leave women alone, until one of those women want/desire one of those men.

      This is what all of you are talking about all day long afterall. Wouldn’t it be good if all those vile, disgusting, rapey, random men leave all of you alone, mind their own business? Only the ones whom you will actually want/desire and try to talk to will dare to talk back to you.

      How is this extreme?

      • Meghan Murphy

        None of your comments make any sense. This makes it difficult to respond.

        • This is a message for you: we both know that he did actually understand the dynamics and the game at play, and how to properly deal with it.
          I think that there’s no winning answer to his affirmation, I see a total checkmate, but I’m not trying to discourage you from looking for a winning answer, perhaps you’ll find something I can’t see, who knows? I wish you, sincerely, good luck – those games are a lot of fun, and I appreciate good players.

          • Meghan Murphy

            No clue wtf you’re talking about either…

    • But it would end most sexual harassment…just think about it for a moment: a world where men don’t want harass women, so much that they never initiate sexualized approaches.
      Perhaps it isn’t your ideal world, but it’s much better than actual world. Isn’t it?

  • Meghan Murphy

    ‘The whole point of society’ is not to tolerate abuse.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Why don’t you try reading some of the hundreds of articles on this site, as I have articulated my positions many times over.

  • Marla

    Idiot.

  • radwonka
    • Jani

      The “doll community” indeed!

      I need to watch Stepford Wives again.

      • radwonka

        Lol I mean its funny how these dudes first pretend to be neutral just to write five paragraphs excusing misogynistic males.

  • FierceMild

    So you think a man who can afford a $25,000 masturbation aid is “underemployed?!”

    • Meghan Murphy

      lol

  • Meghan Murphy

    Porn is real. It’s not ‘thought.’ Those are real people doing real things.

  • corvid

    The fact that women watch porn doesn’t change that its content is overwhelmingly misogynistic.

    • I know, an even better example is that the overwhelmingly majority of plastic surgeries are bought by women, but radical feminists consider it a misogynistic practice, since it’s about surgically alterating women’s bodies in order to impress men.

  • corvid

    This is exactly why I don’t trust men in general on these issues. Gay, straight, bisexual… you nearly all will defend the porn industry to the death even when you clearly see and experience the harms it does to sexuality. Why?

    • I don’t think that the sex industry needs to be defended, indeed I didn’t express judgement on the sex industry, I simply answered to your question (“who watch porn?”) by searching on the net.
      Do you think that anal sex is bad?
      Do you know that anal sex is common in many mammals? In nature I mean.

  • FierceMild

    Social conditions are created by and for men. It is possible for men to live with integrity now. It is possible for men, who hold the vast majority of power in the world, to change social conditions. They choose not to. We don’t miss male presence at all. I promise. We heartily wish more of you would go away and never ever come near a woman again.

    Unethical, unjust, whiny, self-centered, entitled males are welcome to rot alone in their dank basement lairs forever. What part of WE DON’T WANT YOU is so hard for you to process? We don’t want you around. We don’t want to help you. We do not care about your problems. There are men who choose to live principled lives. We want them around. There are men who choose to make the common cause of justice with us, we want them. There are men who choose honesty, self respect and morality. We care about them.

    You choose to shut yourself in your basement and masturbate resentfully into socks washed by your mother while whining about what bitches women are for not unearthing you and fucking you happy. When you’ve rubbed your dicks till they’re chapped and you’ve got carpal tunnel syndrome and you’re still not happy you emerge into the sunlight and steal your mom’s car to go runnover pedestrians. We rightly despise and repudiate men like you. We are not interested in saving a single one of you. Men like this should not exist.

  • Meghan Murphy

    How about we stop talking about ‘banning’ (you are the only one talking about ‘banning’, in any case — I have never said a thing about it) and start talking about building an ethical society and what we want that to look like. Stop trying to reframe the conversation into the one you want to have.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yes, because women like that are not being themselves. It would not only be incredibly stressful and torturous for a woman not to be able to be herself (and why would you want to spend the rest of your life with someone who doesn’t really know or accept you as you are?), but I have no idea why a man would want to be with such a fake person? No man I know would, in any case.

  • marv

    The dolls are 3 dimensional interactive porn. It’s a newer form of porn.

    Sincere question, are you being a shyster?

  • Meghan Murphy

    I stand corrected. That said, your comment accused me of wanting to ‘ban’ porn and sex dolls, which I have never said.

    • radwonka

      And we can talk about “informal” power too. When misogyny is the norm, feminism becomes powerless and is thus more or less banned from anything (media, movies, schools etc).

      Gundog had a libertarian point of view, so he is going to portray the state as evil and the cause of all suffering. But what should exists or not doesnt depend on the government only. Social norms dont need the state to exist for example. And people can also be controlling etc.

      I mean it is an interesting topic (state power and social norms), but I highly doubt that Gundog is here to discuss that. Shame because there is a lot to be said about how humans control and coerce each other (which can be compared to banning ideas/products, except that it is more insidious).

      I dont understand why libertarians arent bothered by people controlling each other if they hate such thing so much

  • Meghan Murphy

    In my experience, men are MUCH more moody, whiny, angry, and grouchy than women.

  • Blazing Fire

    Duh. Men ARE given “shared custody” is most cases – most judges side with the MRAs & just order shared custody even when the man is clearly dangerous – and they kill the child(ren) when they come home, and assault or kill the child(ren)’s mother when she comes to drop or pick up the child. So many children are being forcibly sent to abusive fathers, against their will, just to plactate’s the dude’s ego. Even men with a clear history of violent physical abuse get atleast shared custody of their children.
    While all this happens, men spread around lies that the family court is biased against them, while in fact it is the opposite – men’s ego gets higher priority than children’s & women’s safety in the family courts.

  • Kat Kamp

    Just give all the men an island (continent?) of sex dolls to live on and they can leave us alone.

  • Liz

    “Men do not hold the vast majority of power in the world. A small minority of men do.”

    Well your a damn fool. The majority of men hold power in government and create war.

    “The new Congress is 80 percent white, 80 percent male and 92 percent Christian”
    proof
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/01/05/the-new-congress-is-80-percent-white-80-percent-male-and-92-percent-christian/?utm_term=.01e351fac385

    Grow Up!

  • Jani

    “ I frequent a variety of doll communities online … the dominant pattern is men being concerned about treating their dolls well and developing a caring emotional relationship towards them“

    Doll communities?! Hahahahaha!!! That’s so fucking hilarious.

    “dolls are frequently not used simply as sex objects, but as fictional companions, as someone to care for, cuddle with or dress nicely”

    I pity these poor suckers. They’re obviously in need of mental healthcare.

    “these dolls are typically shaped artistically in a way that seeks to be as sexually attractive as possible, representing only a tiny fraction of real women, and that this may have undesirable consequences for expectations that are put on real women with regards to their physical appearance”

    Are you kidding?! You really think we fear rejection by some silicone-fucking dude? You’re having a laugh, mate. No. Scratch that. We’re laughing at you.

    “If we were to follow the author’s line of reasoning we would have to conclude that women themselves are also harmful to women, to the extent that they allow men to have sex with them…”

    Is this your first attempt at joined up thinking?

    “It appears that the author’s views may be partially modulated by an overactive imagination that may be related to her line of work which has brought forth a certain image of men that is then baselessly projected onto all men and then concomitantly onto all doll owners with no regard for the leaps of logic and elaborate cognitive biases this act of intellectual parkour entails.”

    This must be your second attempt at joined up thinking.

    What next? #notalldollowners

    “Would an alternative view not exist wherein sex dolls can help accelerate the end of the prostitution of women? … Some men report no longer consuming pornography after the arrival of a doll, as interaction with a doll is found to be much more emotionally fulfilling.”

    And we all live happily ever after.

    Sex robot dolls will bring about world peace! No more trafficking! No more violence against women! And just think of how we could cure hunger and starvation by introducing sex robot dolls to impoverished countries because guess what? They don’t need food or water. Save the planet! Fuck a robot!

    You think? Nah, me neither.

    “I hope that additional discussion of this important topic will be published, and that these discussions will not paint broad brush strokes onto all doll owners”

    #notalldollowners!!!!!!

    Honestly, you’ve given us a far greater insight into the fucked up world of the “doll community”.

    “…this is not the doll’s fault”

    That has to be the quote of the year

  • Jani

    “destroy my freedoms?”

    What “freedoms”?
    Your words read like an American. White American males are forever going on about their fucking “freedoms” without saying what they actually mean by that. Sorry, I’m from a different country. What are your assumed “freedoms” and who or what is destroying them?

    Is it that can’t get the job you want because some black man or woman of colour has taken “your” job?

    Or you think women, and feminist women in particular, are destroying the family where the man “should” be the boss?

    Because I don’t have a fucking clue what Americans are talking about when they talk about these “freedoms” that are always about to be robbed from them.

    Late capitalism is failing you. Your economic system has fucked you over. But from what I can tell, it’s guys like you who keep voting for the very system that fucks you over. You’re like turkeys voting for Christmas. Your president is the laughing stock of the world. The only good thing to come out of this is that a lot of people have become activists, whether it’s the Women’s March or Black Lives Matter, or the school kids who want to put an end to school shootings. Try being part of the solution instead of being part of the problem. You might find that it makes you a better human being with more to offer a potential life partner.

    Oh, and most of us here do our bit to work for social improvement.

    • Hekate Jayne

      He means the freedom to rape us, the freedom to terrorize us, the freedom to purchase us as sexual slaves, the freedom for males to force women to stay pregnant, the freedom to force us to give birth. The freedom of taking over our personal spaces, freedom of acting as if he can’t oppress women, then he isn’t free.

      • Jani

        Indeed. When these guys talk about their “freedoms” somebody somewhere has to pay.

    • radwonka

      “White American males are forever going on about their fucking “freedoms” without saying what they actually mean by that. Sorry, I’m from a different country. What are your assumed “freedoms” and who or what is destroying them?”

      Reminds me of this great analysis written in 1993 or so: (source: The sexual liberals and the attack on feminism)

      “Traditionally, political liberalism has seen itself as defending the interests of “the individual” as against the state. As such, it is a profoundly masculinist, Oedipal conception,at the heart of western thinking, which structures the self in opposition to a greater authority: the self, like Oedipus, faced not only by the power of his father, the king, but also by the absolute power of the gods who have determined his fate in advance, who have organized the cosmos and history. It is a perfect image (as Freud found) for the self-conception of a child under the authority and at the mercy of parents and a powerful patriarchal father, a conception in which the parental adult is seen to hold not only the power of restriction, but also of fulfillment. It is, in other words, a perfect symbol for the state of a
      human infant not yet fully socialized, who has not yet matured toward
      an understanding and an acceptance of the fact that there is a reality
      (rather than a caretaker) which sets boundaries for his infantile egotism, gratification, and fantasy. It is a conception developed under the rule of the pleasure principle and with an insufficient grasp of the
      meaning of the reality principle, which the male infant, as Freud has
      demonstrated, confuses with the gendered power of the father from
      the perspective of an infantile castration anxiety. What Freud has not
      sufficiently analyzed are the consequences of this failure to deconstruct the fantasy of the all-powerful father, especially the consequence so crucial, for women, of the male infant’s realization that as a male, he will himself grow into such absolute power.
      Male political theory bears strong traces of this memory of the (male)
      child-father relationship, the Oedipal connection: on the one hand, conservatism or right-wing philosophy assumes the paternalistic role of the “fathers of the nation” who arrogate to themselves the responsibility for their “children,” the people they mean to govern. On the other, liberalism defends the interest, as it were, of those children of the nation, on the model of the adolescent boy who attempts to free himself from parental control and to reduce that authority in favor of increased personal liberty and self-determination. Both political philosophies accept the parent-child relationship as an appropriate model for the relationship of the individual to society and government.
      In the context of the so-called sexual liberals, or sexual libertarians,
      we have the .same schema of the individual claiming greater personal
      liberty from a repressive social, moral, or legal authority. In the 1960s,
      this was conceived of simply in (male) heterosexual terms, as a greater permissiveness in response to a past of moral and religious constraint.
      In the 1980s in Britain, the spokesmen for sexual liberty are most predominantly theoreticians of gay (male) sexuality, who plead for a greater tolerance of minority forms of sexual practice and orientation. What is significant is that both share a common concept of a social authority from which permission is sought and tolerance asked. In the very act of demanding or asking for greater personal (sexual) liberty, that authority is being acknowledged and thereby validated. This might of course be seen as simply a feature of realpolitik, i.e., recognition of the reality of state power over sexuality in a campaign for a change in legislation (e.g., the decriminalization of male homosexuality; reduction
      of the age of consent for male homosexuals). However, I am concerned with a theoretical discourse on sexuality whose polemic is directed not so much against state and legislation, as against conventional sexual morality and increasingly— as this conference highlights— against feminist politics and its critique of male sexuality. In this discourse, which relies heavily on Foucault, the concept of transgression is central to the theorization of desire and pleasure, as central as “taboo” has been (and
      still is) for the sexual libertarians of the 1960s: a reflection of the concern with authority and law, and the adolesceadolescent or Oedipal desire to rebel against the former and break the latter.
      Feminist political theory constitutes a radical intervention in the male
      conceptions of the political, based as it is on the fundamental principle
      that the personal is political and, in contrast to the conventional political,
      that it is the interpersonal, not just the relationship of the individual
      to the state, which constitutes the domain of the political.

      But the recognition by feminist theory that the personal is political
      also brings concepts of (social) responsibility to the person, who is
      thought of as a fully emancipated, socialized, and adult member of a
      society of equals. The boundaries to personal liberty are seen to derive from an equal interest on the part of the individual in the existence of that society as in her own existence as an individual person. Male liberalism, by contrast, sees every other as a member of that abstract society which is intent on curbing the liberty or license of the (male) individual; in other words, it perceives every other as a potential enemy.
      Underlying feminism is a fundamental wish to live in society (not despite, against, or in competition with it), to live life as a member of a
      human collectivity and to maximize the mutual benefits of community,
      friendship, and relationship, of work, cooperation, and communication,
      to gain and contribute by sharing, rather than to accumulate privately
      by taking what you can from others, i.e., publicly.
      The fundamental misconception at the heart of sexual liberalism is
      of course the “sexual” construed as a dimension of the individual: the
      individual wanting more sexual freedom, or more freedom of expression.
      There is no space in this conception for the sexual other, the
      sexual partner or, as it is usually put in libertarian discourse, the sexual object. The freedom which is being demanded from the paternal state or social authority is in fact the license to continue to regard the other as sexual object, vehicle for the individual’s sexual pleasure, and not to have to recognize that other as also an individual subject. Although questions of sexual consent— i.e., the consent of the other— are increasingly having to be muted due to the technical, legal emancipation of black people from slavery, of women from male custody, of peoples from colonial subjugation, conceptually the emancipation of the other has not yet impinged on the ideological structures of western thought, structures shaped by slavemasters, custodians of women, and colonial imperialists.

      The sexual, or sexuality, continues to be constructed as pertaining
      to the individual— sexuality rather than sexual relations or sexual politics— and the theories of contemporary sexual libertarians in Britain are significantly formulated around “object-choice.”

  • Meghan Murphy

    I mean… I *am* a woman and guarantee I know and spend more time with women than you. I also have been in numerous relationships with men and most of them were ridiculously moody, pouty, unstable and irrational. The stereotype around women being moody and unstable is just sexism. When we get angry we are called ‘crazy’ despite the fact that our anger is likely with reason. Because men don’t know how to communicate about their emotions in an articulate, adult, and responsible way, they react by being passive aggressive, giving the silent treatment, shutting down or lashing out. Not all men, of course, but a lot of em! It’s annoying.

  • Ada

    Becausese gay male sex has nothing to do with women and feminism is about women.

  • radwonka

    WTH is “gay sex out of desperation”. Stop inventing things.

  • Peter Mills

    Have you ever been drafted to act as an agent of violence for the state? Is there even the remotest possibility that you might be? If not, I don’t think you have a right to say a damn thing about, “having to fight tooth and nail for basic human rights.” In two supposedly democratic nations, women were outright given the vote, while for men, it was contingent upon being able to fight the state’s wars for them. And lets not forget that in most democratic nations, women’s suffrage was given long before universal male suffrage.

    • Meghan Murphy

      Women were not ‘given the vote’, they fought hard for the vote, for decades and decades, and suffered violence in the process.

    • marv

      Lol! Fake evaluation of history. States and nations are are an artifact of white upper class men. Fight to end classes among men and your problem will be solved if you win.

      More women ceos and politicians don’t take away from the fact that they are forced to function in male organized institutions. A woman president, corporate head, law firm or pope is not liberation, it’s assimilation. Better than nothing and a possible stepping stone.

  • Meghan Murphy

    You’re asking me to repeat things that I’ve explained many times over, and I have better things to do. If you were genuinely interested in understanding, you would read, as well as engage in discussion, with integrity, intelligently. But you are not doing either of these things.

  • Zoë Lafantaisie
    • Anonomega

      So some types of doll have a setting of non consent because a percentage of men like that. Yeah…that may bother me, but no way does it justify wholesale banning of all sex dolls.

  • Sharpie

    Blah blah blah, all those problems you mentioned are a joke. Yes we can ban porn. Yes we can ban sex scenes from being shown on TV. We can put limitations on everything we want to. It’s not hard, plenty of countries do it. You make it sound hard because you don’t like it.

  • FierceMild

    Your argument is that paraplegic blind men need fuck dolls? Really? Let’s start with health insurance, food and shelter shall we? Why is it that asshats like you are only interested in social entitlement programs when they involve dick massage?

  • Hekate Jayne

    Males being mean to other males is women’s fault! Gotta love that iron clad manlogick.

  • Hekate Jayne

    I didn’t read past his first sentence.

    Why do males always start with I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WAAAAAANNNTTTT.

    He wants a warm set of fuckholes. Nothing else matters. Because males are human, and we are the fuck toilets for the males to use.

    They all want a fuck toilet, fierce. They demand a fuck toilet. Why, oh why, can’t we just be the fuck toilet that males WAAAAANNNTTTTT.

  • Morag999

    Your characterization of disabled people is dehumanizing. Unsurprisingly.

  • Hanakai

    A Canadian company that is behind most of the sex-doll brothels being opened in North America is now planning to open another soon in Vancouver, B.C. The business is called Bella Doll Mansions. More details here: http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/sex-doll-brothel-vancouver-2018

    If you are in Canada, it might stop the thing if people complaint to the health department, landlord, land use board, etc. These things are disease vectors.

  • Anonomega

    The sex doll does represent women as a group. Your “role in society” is not “reduced to” holes by the mere existence and use of these things.

  • marv

    A female doll care giver reaffirms sexist roles for real women as does a sex partner doll. You exploited your mother’s free labor. Now it’s pay up time if she is alive.

    If you were a worthwhile man you would be providing health care services to disabled men rather than believing a woman should do it. Or is penis pleasure all consuming of your time?

  • Sharpie

    Those are NOT rights. Just wants.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I don’t understand. Are you saying you want to live in a world without laws?

  • donald twain

    I’m probably gonna get destroyed for this but fook it. Why is it massively acceptable, no its actively encouraged for women to own a dildo. A self pleasuring object that is widely thought of as a great thing. As a true believer in masturbation I love vibrators but this was not always the case. In my younger years I found a dildo to be an affront on my masculinity. “Why on earth would she need another penis in her life?” And the following thought “am I not good enough?” Now, I see this for the plain adolescent insecurity it was but that doesn’t help the boys growing up
    in this environment. If you have a pulsing pussy toy you’re a fuckin weirdo but if you have a vibrating stick of rubber then you’re empowered. The point im trying to make is that this article fails to address the demasculination of men and by going so extremely in the other direction, acts like it’s not even a thing.

    • Meghan Murphy

      I don’t know that anyone here is ‘actively encouraging women to own dildos’….

    • FierceMild

      No one here objects to flashlights, bro. Women are not finding masturbation offensive or worrying. We’re finding rape and violence perpetrated on effigies of women unacceptable. I don’t think you’re actually confused about that. I think you’re faking it.

    • Jani

      “this article fails to address the demasculination of men”

      Eh??

      • radwonka

        That’s how you know that he is some alt right that has been “red pilled” lmao

    • marv

      Masculine self-understandings are made up. They are meaningless insecurities. Male fragility about manhood is a mind trap and hell for women. Just be peaceable, gentle, willing to yield and compassionate. The rest is causing the anxiety and fear you have.

      You remind me of white men complaining about reverse racism; in your case, flip sexism.

  • Melanie

    Men who have real partners still use pornography so why would men who have sex dolls stop using it? If your claim is true and sex dolls end the use of pornography and prostitutes why would that be? Because the dolls give men the same outlet of free reign to treat a woman – or a substitute for one – however they please. Why else do sex doll brothels advertise their services to men as a place where they can do whatever they want in their wildest dreams to the dolls? Nobody would spend that much money and degrade themselves to such an extent unless they were getting something very beneficial out of it. I highly doubt it’s just the pleasure of dressing the dolls nicely and giving them a cuddle. You can do that with Barbie dolls for a fraction of the price if that’s all it is.

    • radwonka

      “You can do that with Barbie dolls for a fraction of the price if that’s all it is.”

      Excellent point. If these men were really lonely they would get a pet or buy a teddy bear or just play with Barbie dolls.

      Isn’t it also interesting that they don’t say that the sex acts they will perform on the dolls won’t have ANYTHING to do with affection and love? They want to show love via clothes, weird ass cuddles, but when it comes to sex they go full objectification. So…

      But it’s still creepy that they want to dress the dolls, it is like they want to also decide what we wear and how we should look like in clothes.

      Ah right, that’s what men always wanted: controlling women.

      • Hekate Jayne

        Males love dead women. Ample evidence of that everywhere.

        And they never say differently.

        • Mr Syft

          That is a pretty broad generalization of men. I personally don’t find the idea of having sex with a woman acting like a corpse in the least bit appealing. And if I found myself in that position I would stop and ask questions. Like “are you ok, is something wrong, we don’t have to do this.” I can assure you there are a lot of men who only want to have sex with women, who want to have sex with them. And don’t want a woman who is unemotional, detached, or anything resembling “dead.”

  • radwonka

    I dont have to agree with anything just because you want me to.

  • radwonka

    And learn more about socialization and peer pressure while you are at it.

    If you dont agree with such concepts then prove that they are incorrect with scientific sources.

    Until then

  • Melanie

    Doll Community sounds like the title of a horror movie.

  • Jani

    “In Europe, it was found that female monarchs started more wars than their male counterparts.”

    Did you actually study European history at school? Because you’re talking out of your arse, mate.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Practice. I’ve been at this a long time now, and very little makes me lose my temper. I find it much less draining to stay calm.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Should things like murder be criminalized? Rape? Incest?

  • Meghan Murphy

    You guys only have this one argument, eh?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Ok got it. And what about laws regulating capitalism/corporations/profit?

  • radwonka

    False equivalence.

  • radwonka

    Predator times and sex robots have nothing in common. The reach.

  • radwonka

    “sexual socialism”

    at the end of the day it is not socialism if it is not emancipating (ie if people don’t have mutual desire)

    nor are people who don’t have the opportunity to objectify women victims of anything

    socialism is about liberation not about selfish desire or hedonism

    moreover socialism theorized concepts such as “reification”, you might learn what it is before thinking that socialism is all about your dick (you will be surprised)

  • radwonka

    “women are shamed for masturbating”

    Actually, in this society I mean, women are encouraged to masturbate but only if they do it with porn or if they support porn acts. That’s how women become addicted to porn and also that’s how they end up reproducing mindlessly what they watched.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yeah but you can’t just ‘do things to someone’ as if they aren’t human and have no desires or feelings of their own. Or, whatever, I guess you can, and men do all the time, but it makes you assholes/sadistic/sociopaths.

  • radwonka

    “people want to do things”

    yeah ok, mind blowing analysis of society, thanks bruh

    ” Perhaps they simply can’t find a woman who’ll consent to what they want to do, or they don’t want to bother pursuing romantic relationships with women and just want the physical element.”

    which is objectifying: women are more than physical elements. Humans are not objects without feelings, but see? You defined objectification yourself: it is when you deny others feelings and thus their humanity.

    and that is funny, because you whine a lot yet can’t stand if women refuse to deal with you. You want to be detached, yet expect women to do what you want. If you want to be detached that bad, then don’t be surprised if women also become indifferent. It’s just fair: your selfish desires are not more important than women’s right and will to not deal with your BS.

    “”I want to suck a woman’s toes” ≠ “Women are nothing but toes to suck.””

    Stupid example. Men expect their partners to choke on their dicks, do threesomes and perform anal. It’s all about their dick, whether a minority suck toes or not. Sexuality is thus another way for men to perform their will to dominate women. Try again.

    “id you reduce your garbage man to a thing that takes out the trash just by using his services. Is your favorite musician a dehumanized music box? Did owning a doll make you think infants are not people and only exist as “cuddle objects”? ”

    relativism is not pertinent if there are no common point. You are too evasive (on purpose).

    if the man takes out the trash it is because it is necessary: trash stinks and is not good for the health, and I HIGHLY doubt that their partner only dates them for that. If it was objectifying, then there would be no dating at all, the dude would just be told to throw the trash out and to gtfo.

    Many females singers are indeed objectified: most of female pop stars act like strippers and their music videos focus on one part of their body (like the ass) whereas male pop stars don’t have to do that. Weird weird huh? It is as if you got people out there thinking that it is normal to reduce women to nothing but their body, erm “”physical”” state. It is as if that shit impacts women as a whole.

    And babies as Cuddle objects really? Last time I checked parents are supposed to love their children, which is something, as you said yourself, that men who objectify women don’t. Moreover cuddling is an act of love in itself, objectified sexuality is all about the ego and selfish. So once again false equivalence.

    In the end you just proved my point. The point of objectification: no emotional connection allowed, you want the body without the brain. If that is not controlling, dehumanizing and lowkey sociopathic then I don’t know what it is. Everything is supposed to be detached (which includes being indifferent to both psychological and physical boundaries: hence why men don’t feel when they chocke women or don’t listen when they feel uncomfortable). Hence also the creation of dolls: since women have enough of this shit, men can’t stand it and want to have the illusion that they do get whatever they want (often degrading acts) from women.

    If you think that being detached to the point of only talking to others when it boosts your ego and thinking that reducing others to their orifices is normal, then you contribute to misogynistic norms. It’s not that hard to understand.

    • Zoë Lafantaisie

      Wow – very, very well said Radwonka. Thank you for taking the time to explain to this fella – I hope he gets it even just a little bit. Guys like this don’t really believe women have the intelligence to see through them and their ilk – that’s their greatest weakness, wouldn’t you say? Is that why they’re so afraid of looking foolish? ‘Cause deep down they know they are sub-human in the human compassion department?

  • radwonka

    IKR? The BDSM “community” ruined the concept.

  • FierceMild

    We aren’t talking about men fucking plastic representations of women? Go read the article.

  • Morag999

    Hah! That’s good!

  • Demelza Darc

    It’s opposite sex, not gender ffs

  • Meghan Murphy

    Unregulated capitalism is a disaster.

  • Meghan Murphy

    So only weak men use sex robots? Do you also believe only weak men use prostitutes?

    • Adam King

      No. Right now all men use prostitutes and sex robots. I am advocating a specific plan where the vast majority of those men are made to lose weight and become more attractive, but those who’s problems can’t be fixed be given a robot to avoid wasting the time of real women. Why would a woman be attracted to a relationship where she must be the caregiver and be prevented from living her own life?

      • Meghan Murphy

        What kinds of ‘problems’ are you talking about? Just being conventionally unattractive/weak? I mean, lots of unattractive, out of shape men have partners…

        • Adam King

          Yes, and their partners would love it if they were made to be more attractive. Where is the benefit to allowing someone to persist in a weak or out of shape state when we can fix their problem? And in cases like non-seeing men who’s problem is so severe that any woman who gets involved with them will have to be their caregiver, let’s give them a convincing AI instead until science finds a solution for them.

          • Meghan Murphy

            Have you ever been in a relationship before? People are not as superficial as you think….

      • radwonka

        “but those who’s problems can’t be fixed be given a robot to avoid wasting the time of real women”

        fake concern; if you were really worried about women’s time you wouldn’t want to them to serve men in the first place.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Bullshit, dude. I have tried, very patiently, to respond to your comments, and it’s clear you aren’t interested in understanding, therefore it’s a waste of time. You are either too dumb or too stubborn to engage intelligently or in good faith, and your reversals are cliched and transparent. byeee

  • Meghan Murphy

    By turning women into things for men to use?

  • radwonka

    thinking that women owe men sex is objectifying. seriously learn before you talk because you are ignorant.

  • Zoë Lafantaisie

    LOL – Bam!

  • Meghan Murphy

    I get the sense you don’t get out much….

  • Meghan Murphy

    Women really aren’t extremely superficial, for the most part. It’s about attraction, not superficial appearance. I know TONS of mediocre-looking (or overweight) dudes who do just fine, relationship and sex-wise. You should get out into the world more… People don’t relate to one another in the way that you think, for the most part. Most people, after all, are really not all that attractive, if you are judging from a superficial standpoint.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Exactly.

  • marv

    Women are pressured constantly by the marketplace to upgrade, to fix themselves: make-up, weight loss, cosmetic surgery, dress sexy, be nicer, self-sacrifice. The market is a shit hole for them. The problem is removing the expectations the market values not improving scores through government intervention and technology. The market is state sponsored patriarchal capitalist oppression.

  • radwonka

    Exactly. They aren’t worried about any kind of banning, they simply want us to give them our approval. They want us to say “yeah you can do whatever you want and I’ll never complain”. Once they show that they don’t understand that people are not forced to support other’s dogma.

    I had to update that old meme lmao the “no ban man” surname is perfect!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb96b24754297e44974044fd85408dabee1f7d92e43972439773221b3b9d50c4.png

  • Nemesis

    https://youtu.be/ODYm6ZqULTE I love watching this sex bot choke a john to death! wonder how long till hackers figure out how to remotely control voice and mechanics of these things… or just wait for these guys to get gross diseases while brutalizing female effigies

    • Misanthropia

      I love the image of a defective XY happily abusing the sex bot and then suddenly it grabs him by the throat and kills him

  • Misanthropia

    I don’t care if a male is disabled. He’s not entitled to sex.

  • Meghan Murphy

    There are lots of things that aren’t crimes, but that are still harmful/unhealthy and that still deserve criticism…

    • Mr Syft

      True but to say that every guy who wants a sex toy is solely because he harbors deeply sexist patriarchal abusive tendancies is exaggerating the issue. Some guys are going to go their whole lives without anyone touching their penis. They are just fuck all ugly, anti social, and no one is going to have sex with them. Its a sad cold fact of reality. And while there will be some creepy bastards who do buy it for all the reasons you stated. Some will get one due to sheer loneliness. And its just too broad of a sweeping statement to paint every guy with the same brush in this category. All creepy sure, all abusive I don’t think so.

      • wasnamesareirrelevant

        Nope. Creepy rape mannequins are purchased and defended by creepy rapists. You’re a fan of creepy rape mannequins. We absolutely understand why.

  • marv

    Learn situated thinking before commenting. A characteristic of a sex, race and economic classed milieu is that the dominant classes train those below to accept their place and the fetishes of those on top.

  • Mr Syft

    Oh no I read it, but there are men out there who ARE going to abuse women, there are sociopaths and psychopaths out there without a moral compass who have sick and twisted desires. You assumed Im excusing that behavior, I’m not at all. I would just rather them abuse a doll then a real women. While we condemn thier actions it won’t stop them from having those impusles, and they wont all be caught sadly. So its just a realistic view that I would rather them take those horrible desires out on a doll than a real girl. This is just one of those situations where there are no good alternatives and you are left with a bag of bad choices and that’s the least evil one.

    • radwonka

      Objectifying women is not innate.

  • Hekate Jayne

    He is not capable of discussing this issue in a larger sense then in the specific case of an individual male.

    We are speaking in terms and concepts that he can’t understand. But that’s ok because we have different concerns then he does.

    We are interested in stopping male violence on a societal level. He is interested in making sure each individual boner gets serviced.

    • Robert Gonzalez

      “He is interested in making sure each individual boner gets serviced.”

      Yep. The boner be sated is the endgame for all of these losers.

  • Mr Syft

    Here is an article by Nina Hartley on being a feminist and also choosing to be a porn star.

    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a40596/nina-hartley-porn-late-50s/

    I for one choose to believe women are strong, independant and free willed. So when a porn star states she chose to go into that industry because she likes it, I chose to believe her. Just like I choose to believe Dr. Ford when she states Kavanaugh tried to assualt her. It would be very sexist of me to assume every women in their chosen profession was a victim of societal pressures rather than their own rationally made decisions.

    • Meghan Murphy

      “I for one choose to believe women are strong, independant and free willed.”

      How big of you.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Objectitfication isn’t a personal choice, though. Many images are simply objectifying, regardless of what you, as an individual, believes about the human on the other side of the image. You don’t have to literally believe a woman is an object to objectify her. We’re all trained to see women this way, in fact. Feminists try to push back against things that reinforce the idea that women are sex objects.

    In other words, Hekate Jane is right.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Women don’t ‘ogle’ you, please.

  • marv

    I can say I don’t objectify Indigenous people on whose confiscated lands I live. In truth I am a white settler, a colonizer, despite my sincere goodwill. They are objects of the white master class. The system keeps them there. Women’s bodies are locked into one too. Attempts at individual empowerment don’t change structural conditions.

  • Morag999

    Honestly. The’ve been insulting our intelligence constantly throughout this thread.

  • PatrickD

    Well I didn’t actually make an argument, I just asked a question. You’re implying that these dolls might divert a dangerous man from harming real women, which I don’t buy. I’ve seen similar claims made in defence of child pornography too – that it gives paedophiles an outlet that may save them from abusing real children. That’s something I’m fairly sure is discredited, and that indulging in bad impulses instead just exacerbates them.

    But anyway, as radwonka and others have said, this article isn’t about psychopaths etc. It’s about what sex dolls mean for women as a class. And in that sense I agree with this article that these dolls are bad for women, since they further the idea that women exist to pleasure men. From what I’ve seen of these dolls, the manufacturers designed them purposefully with that view in mind, and to appeal to men who have contempt for women.

  • PatrickD

    Could hardly have said it better. He doesn’t seem to realise that you can be a strong person who makes free-willed decisions, which are still heavily influenced by social norms or other pressures. There’s no contradiction there.

  • Meghan Murphy

    You are making a systemic argument individual and oversimplifying. Of course women are being capable of these things. But socialization is a powerful force. Also, you are using this argument to avoid addressing systems of power that funnel/lead women into the industry.

  • Robert Gonzalez

    These hyper realistic dolls are relatively new. It’ll be years before we have any scientific research to back up anything, if anyone cares to investigate. Don’t bother asking about that, not if you want some actual scientific validity.

    The problem here is that men already treat women like they are objects. I don’t know if you already understand that. Just think of advertising and the fact that female sexualization is what sells many products, including your own. We do it by objectifying women and nullifying their humanity. They become a commodity and an object instead of a person. Essentially, women are already treated like sex dolls. It’s common for men to coerce, manipulate or otherwise harm women in the pursuit of getting their own orgasm without any regard for their personhood. In the case of the doll, the doll’s opinion doesn’t matter because the person that owns it knows that it’s just a hunk of silicone or PVC; however, that’s not too far off from how most women are already treated around the world.

    These dolls are essentially meant to take the place of an actual woman, even if the man only uses it to achieve orgasm and then goes back to actual women when he’s done. Do you not see how damaging that might be for real women or for society at large? It furthers the already awful socially acceptable attitudes we have towards women and their objectification. You’ll probably say something like “That’s just capitalism and I’m just making a living. Who am I to judge what they do with these dolls once they are sold? You’re just a prude. I’m not here to decide what people should do with what I sell.”

    Look, I get that, but at some point you have to ask yourself whether you are contributing something good to the world. A drug dealer that sells methamphetamine probably has the same attitude about what they sell as you have. But you know that the product they sell creates a lot of damage for society, well beyond just the small exchange between a dealer and the client. Your dolls have an impact on society, whether you want to accept that or not. It impacts real women too.

    I’ve watched documentaries about sex dolls, read articles about them and visited forums where men discuss them. In all of my readings and explorations I have found little evidence to suggest that the men that consume these products are not misogynists. Everything about the way they talk to them suggests that they do not regard women very highly. Of course most people wouldn’t notice that because talking about “tits” and “ass” is perfectly acceptable. Many do brag about how much better they are than actual women because they don’t “talk so much” or “spend their money.” In other words, many men that interact with these dolls reinforce negative stereotypes and attitudes toward women.

    I’m sure you’ll say that I’m over-exaggerating, but maybe before writing off what the women are saying here, you should read some radical feminist literature. These aren’t claims. The world is like this and the world treats women like they are second-class citizens in both third-world countries and first-world countries alike. They aren’t playing some victim card to get victim points. It’s just hard to perceive any of this because so much of what I’m talking about is invisible behind the veil of acceptability. I wasn’t always aware of what women go through. I used to have similar misogynistic attitudes to what I’ve described here when I was younger. I think if you care this much about what you sell you should also take a hard look about the negative side of this issue too. Yes, that requires a high amount of personal responsibility, but I think that’s a trait far too people have these days. Capitalism has its strengths, but too many individuals ignore what the cost of business is for the rest of the world. Sometimes the social cost is more than the temporary profits.

  • Clotilde

    And what would your definition of “a real woman” be?

  • Clotilde

    Yes, in fact, when a man acts out sexual tirades upon a doll; and inevitability receives zero emotional satisfaction, his fury towards women will only escalate.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I am not able to control people’s Disqus profiles, no…

  • Meghan Murphy

    I can’t see people’s profile photos from the back end, so I actually have no idea what any of you look like in your Disqus profiles. The commenting platform we use is Disqus, so they are the only ones who can control such things (and I presume they don’t hide or remove profile pictures, but just leave that up to the user). I don’t have time to monitor people’s profile pics, unfortunately. Just trying to keep up with the comments in the back end is hard enough…

    • wasnamesareirrelevant

      Understood. But it’s his name I was talking about. His Disqus name is literally an advertisment for his creepy rape mannequin site. Although he recently changed the picture to a creepy rape mannequin picture too.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Somehow forcing men to register as sex buyers would be a good idea, in my opinion. Imagine how many men would be deterred, if they knew it would be on permanent, public record.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    Of course. Porn is overwhelmingly deeply violent, misogynistic and pro rape. Not only if they purchased or watched porn but exactly what category of porn. All who purchase objectification of women in any form are degrading and harming women.

    But you already know that.

    Women would choose in great numbers to avoid such creatures if they had access to this knowledge. It wouldn’t matter a damn if that meant millions of mean never procreated again. Would be a very good thing in fact as the gene pool would be massively cleansed and there are 7 billion of us already anyway. And as no man anywhere has ever needed sex, objectifiers of women could wank away to their heart’s content, then die alone, as they deserve to.

    • Liz

      Eric’s not listening. Eric’s watching porn.

  • Meghan Murphy

    What’s a ‘real woman’?

    • radwonka

      Quite sure some accounts are dupe accounts. Their profile are always more or less empty with only one or two comments (misogynistic comments btw). Other profiles have stuff like “girls will give you sex” in their bio LOL.

      It’s like someone has a real business with the objectification of women.

      Some comments remind me a lot of Mr Syft (the “I am always right, period” tone) so I think it is him. Could be wrong, but hey

  • Meghan Murphy

    Did someone say ‘every porn actress is a victim’?

    • radwonka

      No one did. Dude is really projecting when he says
      “Can you stay on topic? Or do you only argue by pretending the other person is stating something they never said.
      ” LOL

  • Meghan Murphy

    Where did I say women shouldn’t be held accountable for their own actions?

  • Meghan Murphy

    You aren’t intelligent, and your insistence that you are makes me think you are delusional, which makes me not trust your claims to be very attractive. Why don’t you share a photo with us so we can ogle you?

    (And of course I believe attractive men exist in the world. I date men who I find attractive. I am currently dating a man who is attractive. I just don’t believe *your* claims that women ogle you all the time.)

  • Meghan Murphy

    Aw man, you got me all wrong! I’m a dog person obv

  • Meghan Murphy

    Lack of empathy is encouraged in various ways, in our culture, including via porn and prostitution.

  • radwonka

    Citation needed.

  • radwonka
  • radwonka

    What’s a real woman than real woman than real woman?

  • radwonka

    You don’t need research to use your brain.

  • radwonka

    This topic must be really personal for you huh
    What’s the truth? You got sex dolls? You sell sex dolls? You got dumped? Do tell.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    Nobody ogles you dudebro. Well maybe other gay men. But definitely not women.

  • OomGawa

    Well, Caitlin Jenner was “Woman of the Year”.
    I guess men do make better women than women do!

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    Repeat: Porn is overwhelmingly deeply violent, misogynistic and pro rape. All who purchase objectification of women in any form are degrading and harming women.

    That’s no more up for debate than the statement water is wet.

    And you definitely already know that. Like every other desperate porn inflected wanker.