What’s Current: Dimitrios Pagourtzis harassed Shana Fisher for months before shooting at Texas high school

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Dimitrios Pagourtzis, 17, is charged with killing eight students and two teachers
  • The mother of one of the murdered girls in the Santa Fe, TX, school shooting alleges that the shooter harassed her daughter for four months before she turned him down, with much of the subsequent news coverage blaming the shooting on the killer being “spurned.” Victoria Smith writes:

“There’s something truly depressing about finding the world view of a killer reflected in the reporting of his crimes. Then again, belief that women and girls exist to tend to the sexual and emotional needs of men and boys is everywhere.”

  • The US Supreme Court’s ruling in support of forced arbitration in employment contracts — which allows employers to demand that grievances be settled by private arbitrators hired by the employer — will make it extremely difficult for women to bring class action lawsuits over systemic sexual harassment.
  • A report by a UK parliamentary panel finds that Eastern European women are being trafficked into the country for sexual exploitation by British men on an ‘“industrial scale.” Sophie Walker, leader of the Women’s Equality Party, says the report shows the importance of curbing coercion and exploitation by criminalizing the purchase of sex, while ensuring that trafficked women aren’t prosecuted.
  • The Duchess of Sussex’s new profile on the royal website continues her focus on women’s issues, including the fight against period poverty in India.
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  • M. Zoidberg

    Some true-blue brain-dead idiots in the comments under the Glosswitch article. Men are doomed if they’re that stupid.

  • Robert Gonzalez

    What’s truly disgusting is that I’ve already seen comments focused on the idea that “nice boy” Dimitrios Pagourtzis was “bullied” and that it was more understandable that he “acted out.” Poor fragile manfeelz. Let’s all feel sorry for him.

    Regardless of what they find out, I’m 100% certain that he did this because the murdered girl “humiliated” him. She loses her life and this degenerate will be released in middle age.

    • Alienigena

      Problem is if you appease you are a tease, if you choose to react aggressively you are a bitch. Women and girls can’t win and it doesn’t even start in high school it starts in much younger kids in my experience. It is not possible to safely navigate the ego of a budding asshole, definitely not the personality of a full blown violent misogynist. The aggressive behaviour males display towards females needs to be taken much more seriously and at younger ages.

  • Meghan Murphy

    ‘Social wiring’ seems a bit of an oxymoron?

  • Alienigena

    Alpha and beta is not a thing with people who treat other people like human beings. As others have pointed out there a lot of bullied, average looking or less attractive women who never shoot anyone for rejecting them.

    • ohio ham

      Just because women don’t shoot people doesn’t mean they don’t share that pain. Nor does it mean that that state of being is the best of all possible worlds. The attractiveness hierarchy is the root cause of this problem and it should be abolished entirely.

      • Liz

        This is what your saying. If Shana Fisher accepted his dating requests. She would be still alive?

      • -Jane Don’t-

        You’re ugly. We get it. And it’s not only physical.

  • acommentator

    I don’t see the alpha/beta dichotomy as bollocks. Maybe I don’t understand it, but I just read “alpha” to mean those males who are most sexually attractive, and “beta” to mean everybody who is not alpha. While what counts as attractive may vary somewhat over time and place (and can vary a lot, of course, in the eye of each beholder) it is just a fact of life that the “most sexually attractive group” will be smaller than the “average attractiveness group.” Whether you call it alpha or beta or use some other language, that is just how it is.

    Getting upset about that is like getting upset that the sun rises in the East rather than the West. Most of us are not George Clooney or Tom Brady or [insert recognized as super attractive male of one’s choosing]. Nothing earth shattering about that.

    • Gundog

      It’s bollocks because it is a false dichotomy. Attractiveness is a spectrum, likely a bell curve. A dichotomy also makes already insecure people believe they cannot improve themselves or their lives.You can educate yourself, work out, and make changes to your life to move you up that curve. You can also watch porn and spend your days on incel pages and move down that curve.

      Plus, it seems like you are solely focused on physical appearance, which only works until you have to open your mouth and talk to somebody.

      • ohio ham

        No matter how hard you try you will never reach the highest level where the football jock sits, surrounded by his harem of cheerleaders. Some things are not changeable after the first few years of life if at all.

        Abolish the hierarchy and then you might have a chance.

        • Meghan Murphy

          I think I may have said this to you before, but you watch too many movies.

        • acommentator

          “No matter how hard you try you will never reach the highest level where the football jock sits, surrounded by his harem of cheerleaders.”

          I do think that sentence captures the incel mindset very well, where the “highest level” is some cartoonish fantasy image from high school.

          But tell me, do you think the cheerleaders of your imagination would still be looking for the same things in a guy at 30 as they were at 17? And your fantasy jock, what will he be like at 50?

          Incel’s view of how men and women relate to each other bears little resemblance to reality.

          • -Jane Don’t-

            The jock at 50 will most likely be fat, balding, and constantly talking about his “glory days” in high school. 😉

      • acommentator

        “Plus, it seems like you are solely focused on physical appearance, which only works until you have to open your mouth and talk to somebody”

        I am quite aware of the fact that non-physical characteristics are a major part of attraction. Of course, there are people who have high concentrations of both physical and non-physical traits.

        Working out, eating right, can move you on the curve. So can developing talents that appeal to other people: playing an instrument. Knowing how to fix things. Whatever.

        Does not change the fact that there will always be characteristics of what is attractive that predominate in any society, and the people who most highly embody those traits are always going to be fewer than people who are more average in terms of those characteristics. That should surprise, or make angry, no one. I don’t see “alpha” and “beta” as being anything more complicated than that.

  • Bleeps3

    Yeah, what needs to be done is that males need to be taught from an early age that they are not entitled to girls and women, they are not owed relationships, sex, women’s bodies or body parts, or even their attention. They need to learn they are not entitled to act out what they feel on anyone else, including animals, and that they have to take responsibility for themselves and their behavior, even when they feel bad or sad or angry. They need to be taught not to assume a life of dependency on girls and women meeting their “needs”.

  • Kiwipally

    When I clicked on the Glosswitch article, I got an ad for Viagra. 🙁 I mean really, on an article about brutal male entitlement related to sex.

  • Meghan Murphy

    And what about the rest of us who live outside your TV movie?

  • Meghan Murphy

    lolllll no. You clearly don’t *ever* date. I literally have never gone on a date with someone I didn’t already know, at least a bit. In other words, I would never date or hook up someone I had never had a conversation with.

  • acommentator

    “Decisions about whether a person is attractive are almost always made prior to any conversation.”

    Say rather, decisions on whether you find a person attractive begin to be made prior to conversation. It is not a static process. There is much that goes into it. Everybody knows someone they became more attracted to as they got to know him or her, and vice versa.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I have never even known a cheerleader. They aren’t big in Canada.

    • -Jane Don’t-

      When I was in high school, the pom squad was the big thing, not cheerleaders. I of course thought it was ridiculous even though I did dance and gymnastics as a kid. Granted, I have no “pep.” There was a reason my nickname was Daria… 😉

  • Marla

    That’s a cool story, brah. Nice use of stereotypes and nonsense. Sounds like the cheerleader rejected your sorry ass while the jock was kicking it.

  • Marla

    “There is a consorted effort underway to reduce the abilities of men. How else do you explain the rise of computer and video game culture?”

    How are the two mutually compatible? As for the “consorted effort” consort by whom? The voices in your head? This what I love about you MRA/incel trolls. You have no ambition so you create conspiracies to serve your shortcomings.

    “It has rendered a massive portion of the male population unable to deal with women. In the past here was certainly a hierarchy but the inequality was less. Some people say the problem is women’s empowerment, but I believe this point is raised as a distraction.”

    Ummm….huh? Video games are “rendering” males socially impotent? Do you have any (even a tinsy winsy) bit of data to go with that? As for the rest of your trolling gibberish “some say” in not a valid argumentative stance. Vague arbitrary mentions which are nothing more then you just pulling shit out of your ass tells me you don’t know what you believe.

    ” Instead I believe this is a prelude to a one-world government that will seize power in the near future.”

    Jesus fuck, you’re not just a troll but a InfoWars troll. Going to squawk some more for us, parrot?

    “Look at Trump.”

    No thanks.

    ” He is not really in control of the united states, instead his Russian handlers are. They aim to destroy the deep state from within, seizing control of the united states and europe.”

    Let me guess: the “deep state” are the MOON NAZIS who are in “it” with Hilary where they hide her emails so that Soros can finally implement his New World Order of gay frogs and “fish people” to take over the video gaming industry to feminize the male population while Trump goes all Manchurian candidate for his Russian handlers who mind control him though chemtrails and Diet Coke. Yeah, it all makes sense now.

    Yeah, no clue as to why a cheerleader would reject you.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yeah there was no football at my high school. Basketball and rugby, but sport culture just isn’t the same here as it is in the US. Particularly not around football.

    • -Jane Don’t-

      Sportsball!

  • -Jane Don’t-

    I’ve been to Cleveland. I wasn’t impressed…

  • Tobysgirl

    The excuses parents make for their sons are unbelievable! I was at an Al-Anon meeting and they were talking about some boy who had blown up his parents’ garage and saying, of course, that he was a good boy. Do people ever think about the garbage that comes out of their mouths? That’s when I realized white boys can do ANYTHING and it will still be said of them that they are good boys.

  • Tobysgirl

    Eeew, really creepy. I suppose under “advanced data mining algorithms” you would find a woman to pair up with. I think I’m going to go rinse my mind out after reading that comment.

  • Tobysgirl

    Why are all those men below hijacking Feminist Current?

  • acommentator

    I think that is how most people use the term “alpha male.” But the incel types appear to be strictly talking about guys who are successful with attractive women. That includes more than just aggressive guys.

    And the sense I get is that the “alpha” are everybody who is not “beta” or “below.”