Twitter wants me to shut up and the right wants me to join them; I don’t think I should have to do either

I don’t want to choose between the left and the right, I want to engage in critical thought, challenge myself, and form my own opinions.

In August, I was locked out of my Twitter account for the first time. I was told that I had “violated [Twitter’s] rules against hateful conduct” and that I had to delete four tweets in order to gain access to my account again. In this case, the tweets in question named Lisa Kreut, a trans-identified male, as the individual who targeted Feminist Current’s ad revenue and led efforts to have Vancouver Rape Relief blacklisted at the 2016 BCFED Convention.

I deleted the tweets in question, then publicly complained on Twitter, saying, “Hi @Twitter, I’m a journalist. Am I no longer permitted to report facts on your platform?” I was promptly locked out of my account again, told I had to delete the tweet in question, and suspended for 12 hours. I appealed the suspension, as it seemed clear to me that my tweets were not “hateful,” but simply stated the truth, but received no response from Twitter.

On November 15th, my account was locked again. This time, I was told I must delete a tweet from October, saying, “Women aren’t men,” and another, asking, “How are transwomen not men? What is the difference between a man and a transwoman?”

After dutifully deleting the tweets in question in order to gain access to my account again, I tweeted, angrily, “This is fucking bullshit, @twitter. I’m not allowed to say that men aren’t women or ask questions about the notion of transgenderism at all anymore? That a multi-billion dollar company is censoring basic facts and silencing people who ask questions about this dogma is insane.” This tweet went viral, racking up 20,000 likes before Twitter locked my account again on Monday morning, demanding I delete it. This time they offered no explanation at all — not even a vague accusation of “hateful conduct.”

To be fair, it’s not that insane. Multi-billion dollar companies are clearly primarily interested in profit, not free speech or women’s rights. But Twitter is a company that represents itself as a platform for communication, for debate, and for sharing ideas, news, and information. While of course, as a private company, Twitter has the right to limit who participates on the platform and what is said, we, the public, have become accustomed to understanding this social media platform as a relatively free space, wherein everyone from politicians, to celebrities, to pornographers, to activists, to students, to anonymous gamers, to feminists, to men’s rights activists may say what they wish.

Despite my disinterest in seeing graphic pornography on Twitter and in being called a “TERF cunt” who should “drink bleach,” I accept that this is something I am likely to be exposed to on Twitter, and choose to use the platform anyway. Cruel and graphic comments are things, for better or for worse, I am accustomed to and that, frankly, don’t bother me much at this point. If you are a public figure, you do just get used to this kind of thing.

What is insane to me, though, is that while Twitter knowingly permits graphic pornography and death threats on the platform (I have reported countless violent threats, the vast majority of which have gone unaddressed), they won’t allow me to state very basic facts, such as “men aren’t women.” This is hardly an abhorrent thing to say, nor should it be considered “hateful” to ask questions about the notion that people can change sex, or ask for explanations about transgender ideology. These are now, like it or not, public debates — debates that are impacting people’s lives, as legislation and policy are being imposed based on gender identity ideology (that is, the belief that a male person can “identify” as female or vice versa). That trans activists and their allies may find my questions about what “transgender” means or how a person can literally change sex uncomfortable, as they seem not to be able to respond to them, which I can imagine feels uncomfortably embarrassing, feeling uncomfortable is not a good enough reason to censor and silence people.

As a result of these attempts by Twitter to silence me, the right has leapt to support me, or at least engage with me, and criticize Twitter’s nonsensical, unwritten policies (nowhere in their Terms of Service does it say users may not differentiate between men and women or ask questions about transgender ideology). While the left continues to vilify me, and liberal and mainstream media continue to mostly ignore feminist analysis of gender identity, people like Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro (and hundreds of right wingers and free speech advocates online), and right wing media outlets like the Daily Wire and The Blaze have either attempted to speak with me and understand my perspective, expressed support, or covered this undeniably ridiculous decision on the part of Twitter.

Anger at Twitter’s now ongoing attempts to silence me (I remain locked out of my account, awaiting an appeal process that is likely to result in nothing, and received a second notice today that I have been locked out doubly, on account of a tweet posted in May, criticizing Lisa Kreut for participating in a smear campaign against a local feminist, anti-poverty activist. Kreut has publicly admitted to “knowing someone” at Twitter Safety, so this is unsurprising, perhaps, albeit disconcerting) is not limited to the right or to free speech advocates, of course. There are numerous feminists around the world and unaffiliated members of the general public who see transgender ideology as dangerous (or simply ridiculous), and are critical of the ongoing silencing and smearing of those who challenge it. But one thing that does seem undeniable to me — something that the left should consider carefully, in terms of their own political strategizing — is that while the left seems to have taken to ignoring or refusing to engage with detractors or those who have opinions they disagree with or don’t like, the right continues to be interested in and open to engaging. And I think this is a good thing.

In light of my years of negative experiences trying to engage progressives on issues like pornography, prostitution, male violence, and now gender identity, I’ve unfortunately come to see many of them as cowardly, hypocritical, lacking in political and intellectual integrity, and disingenuous. While of course there are leftists who are critical of the sex trade and trans activism, far too many of those who represent progressives (in North America, in particular) — politicians and leftist political parties, as well as activists and representatives of the labour movement — will not speak out about these issues nor will they defend the women being ripped to shreds for speaking out. Radical feminists are largely on their own on these issues, and don’t have the numbers or the access to media or platforms that liberals, leftists, or the right do. I have personally been able to create and build a large platform, and am grateful for this. But I am being punished harshly for having succeeded in doing so. Twitter and their trans activist insiders seem to be working force me off the platform entirely, the left has shunned me, and Canadian media has yet to engage with my arguments with regard to gender identity ideology and legislation at all. Members of the left here in Canada who agree with me are afraid to be associated with me, and anyone who fails to disassociate is vilified or bullied.

I have been thinking about all this a lot lately, not only due to the debate around transgenderism and consequent no-platforming of critics, but more broadly, in terms of political strategy and the general advancement of good ideas and policy. As such, I want to acknowledge some things I once believed, but have changed my mind about.

I no longer believe leftist positions are necessarily most right or most ethical. I no longer believe everyone on the right is wrong about everything. I do not believe all those on the right necessarily have ill intentions, and suspect that many, like those on the left, believe they are working towards a better world. I don’t believe that it’s productive to position everyone who disagrees with the left as “right wing,” and therefore an enemy. I regret refusing to engage with or trying to understand those who are called “right wing” or “free speechers,” flat out. I think this is the wrong approach. I think it is, in fact, very important that we engage with those we may disagree with on various issues, and don’t think it serves us to ignore, mock, or dismiss people because they don’t share our exact political ideology. I am genuinely interested in speaking with people I may disagree with on various issues and am open to the possibility that we may agree on some ideas and not others. I think we should, as leftists and feminists, challenge and question our own ideas and mantras, rather than become too comfortable in the echo chamber.

What this means is that I will speak to and engage with whomever I like — left, right, and centre. I do not wish to play the game of guilt by association. I am tired of limiting ourselves to those who already share our views, and think this approach is unproductive if we genuinely want to effect change and understand the world around us. I think we need to open up, rather than shut down. I think we should model the behaviour we are asking of others — that is, to hear us out, and to engage with integrity. Even when that means engaging with ideas we don’t like, that we may find abhorrent or wrong or insulting. I don’t want to write people off any more than I want to be written off. And I regret only coming to this conclusion and speaking out about it recently, though I am grateful for my ability to think critically about discourse and strategy, and change my mind accordingly, regardless of who I may anger in the process.

I think sometimes we are afraid to engage genuinely and fairly with new ideas because we are afraid we might agree or change our minds. I suspect that many of those who support trans activism fear just this. That engaging with radical feminist analysis and other critiques of gender identity might leave them forced to admit we have a point.

The truth is that if we want our ideas to be good and coherent and evidence-based and convincing, we need to challenge ourselves and question those ideas, and even be open to the possibility that we might be wrong or that we might change our minds as a result.

Michael Knowles at the Daily Wire says I now must choose to “ally with conservatives, who support free speech and insist that ‘facts don’t care about your feelings,’ or persist with a Left that would annihilate feminism altogether.”

But I don’t think I need to choose either. I choose to think independently and critically. I choose to make strategic and thoughtful decisions about who to ally with. I choose to support free speech and also to reject right wing positions on things like abortion and the free market. I choose to continue to support universal healthcare, social housing, reproductive justice, and a viable welfare system. I choose to continue to oppose exploitative labour practices, privatization, and war. I choose to continue to advocate against male violence against women, sexual exploitation, porn culture, and legislation I consider to be harmful to women and girls. I choose to consider facts and take what I consider to be ethical positions based on those facts, even if those facts and positions don’t fit whatever is considered to be politically correct.

There are people on the right who are bad and who are good, who are smart and who are stupid, who are wrong and who are right, and then there are a million combinations in between. The same can be said of the left. And to pretend things are any more simple than that is, in my opinion, a mistake. While we may not agree on much else, the right and I both agree that transgenderism is nonsense, which may be awkward, but is better than being wrong or dishonest. Speaking of which, I reserve the right to be wrong about all of this, and change my mind accordingly, though I suspect I am not.

Meghan Murphy
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Meghan Murphy is a freelance writer and journalist. She has been podcasting and writing about feminism since 2010 and has published work in numerous national and international publications, including New Statesman, Vice, Al Jazeera, The Globe and Mail, I-D, Truthdig, and more. Meghan completed a Masters degree in the department of Gender, Sexuality and Women’s Studies at Simon Fraser University in 2012 and lives in Vancouver, B.C. with her dog.

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  • polarcontrol

    Your perspective and attitude make sense!

    But the situation with Twitter – that’s infuriating!!! Is there anything the readers of Feminist Current can do to help?

    • Crimelord Canada

      Scroll all the way back to the beginning of the comments. See that box with $1 in it? Bump that up to at least $5 and click the donate button 🙂

    • Elilla Shadowheart

      Why should you even be surprised that this is happened. She’s now experiencing what people on the right and left have been saying for 4 years. It’s only now a problem because despite her, and other progressives that have been using this as a tool to silence others. Enjoying the crows coming home to roost? She’s not high enough on the progressive stack anymore to matter, and this is the system that so many on the left have supported.

      Take your pick, you can either smarten up and actually embrace free speech like those in the center and right, or you can keep going down the same path and using the tools provided to silence critics.

  • SkyLark Phillips

    Silencing women is nothing new. It has been going on for thousands of years. I refuse to be silenced.

    • TwinMamaManly

      Disobedient Women Unite!

  • Maeve

    Excellent approach, and thanks for advocating this. Caitlin Johnstone is a mostly political journalist and takes a similar approach. I appreciate this type of authenticity coming from courageous female journalists. It happens to be a wonderful way to not allow people to box you in too:)

    • Meghan Murphy

      <3

  • SkyLark Phillips

    “I don’t want to choose between the left and the right, I want engage in critical thought, challenge myself, and form my own opinions.”

    Women need to form our own political party separate from the pro pornography, “sex positive”, gender fluid, kink loving, non-binary far left and rigid religious conservatives on the far right. Both are toxic to the female sex. We are the majority not them. If we organized, there is enough of us to tip any election one way or another. No sane woman really believes women have a penis. The majority of left leaning women and moderates just go along with the trans bullsh** to be polite.

    The only way trans activists can push through their misogynistic and homophobic “gender identity” politics is by silencing women. Women have been receiving TERF death threats for years, https://terfisaslur.com/, a transwoman who was part of Camp Trans is on trial in Oakland for slaughtering a lesbian family, a 26 year old transwoman was convicted of assaulting a 60 year old grandmother suspected of being TERF, and the “Cotton Ceiling” is lesbian hatred on steroids. And, don’t forget the Degenderettes baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire exhibit which was clearly intended to intimidate feminists.

    https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/05/01/trans-activism-become-centered-justifying-violence-women-time-allies-speak/

    Through all this, the left remains silent.

    And, the left completely ignores the harm to women from prostitution and pornography.

    As to the right, we all know how the religious right has treated women.

  • I love you

    • Meghan Murphy

      I love yooooou <3

  • Meghan Murphy

    How is Lisa Kreut a woman and why is it disrespectful, hateful, or violent to call males male? I believe two trans identified people were killed in Canada in 2017. Far less than men and women. I don’t want anyone to be killed, but I also don’t understand what this claim that trans-identified people are at more risk than everyone else comes from, since it’s clearly not true…

    As I hope I made clear in my piece, I don’t *care* if you think my opinion sounds ‘right wing’ because ‘right wing’ people are also making the argument that you can’t change sex and that males and females exist. They are right. And so am I.

    I’m very sorry but your bullying tactics aren’t going to work on me. Nothing you say is coherent, it’s just nonsensical, desperate name calling, aimed at shutting me up. In the end, people will look back on this and feel deep regret at having caved to people like you, and you should feel ashamed.

  • Meghan Murphy

    <3

  • Meghan Murphy

    As much as I think Twitter may be kind of unimportant, in the grand scheme of things, it has been an important way for me to connect with a large audience of diverse people… It’s how I’ve been able to connect with right wing people or anti-feminists for example. It’s also a key way that I find information and follow news, events, etc. It’s a really great way for me to get info out there very quickly, and losing access would be a big deal. (For me, anyway. I have over 20,000 followers there now.) You are right that most of the world’s population is not on twitter, and we need to reach them, but I also can’t discount twitter’s reach and their attempts to silence me, which is clearly due to the reach I have on their platform.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thanks Robert.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thanks for your support.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yes. Profoundly fucked.

  • Meghan Murphy

    <3

  • Meghan Murphy

    xx

  • Meghan Murphy

    Right exactly. I also honestly find conversations with these ‘right wingers’ refreshing and interesting. We need to understand those around us in order to understand the world around this and to develop better, stronger ideas and arguments imo.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I agree with you, re: the right/engaging with the right.

  • Meghan Murphy

    <3

  • Meghan Murphy

    Right!

  • Meghan Murphy

    I think we need to complain to Twitter and get some bad press going. The media needs to cover this imo. Twitter doesn’t want bad press, and I suspect they don’t want to appear as though they are silencing non hate speech just because a few trans activists with power in the company don’t like said speech.

  • Meghan Murphy

    There are two sexes, yes, and there are also people who have an intersex condition.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yes, the ‘blocking out’ is something I can very much relate to. Actually listening to and engaging with what people on the ‘right’ (I don’t really like lumping people in in this way, but it’s just easier for the sake of this conversation) feels much more intellectually exciting and challenging, as opposed to simply memorizing and re-reading leftist talking points.

    I will continue to try to share what I am learning and the new conversations I’m having. I’m hoping to start a YouTube channel soon, so hopefully that will be a place to do that as well.

    Thanks for your thoughts.

  • You got all the leftist talking points in. Now why don’t you go back and read the article?

  • Brian Davis

    Hi Meghan, sorry that you’re getting all this crap from Twitter – it makes no sense at all, given the toxic bile that washes around my feet every time I log in, which they just ignore. I agree with what you said in this piece. I’ve always identified with the Left, but this is becoming increasingly problematic as the Left seems determined to embrace gender ideology and to push women under the bus if they get in the way. And their SJW Stasi work tirelessly to suppress free speech, deny platforms to dissenters and try to get them fired from their jobs. If there are rational, ethical, well-intentioned people on the right or centre, I’m prepared to talk to them where there is common ground, or even work with them where appropriate. Your commitment to rationality, critical thinking and ethical values is second to nobody. For what it’s worth, you have my support and I hope to see you back on Twitter soon as!

    • Meghan Murphy

      Thanks Brian

  • Alienigena

    I liked the work of Nikki Craft who had many run-ins with the ACLU. She is anti-porn and was quite active in late 1990’s online, that is where I encountered her writing and activism. She claimed the acronym ACLU for herself and said it stood for “Always Causing Legal Unrest”.

    http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/Porn/index.html

    I don’t know why there is such respect for the real ACLU as they have long supported pornographers.

    • Alawon.B

      The ACLU’s position on prostitution was written by NSWP, which was headed (at the time) by (now) convicted sex trafficker Alejandra Gil

  • Some of us need Twitter and social media for our careers at this point. That’s how ingrained in the social fabric it’s become. I don’t know if it would be possible to get a good job at this point without a presence on certain social media. Often you are asked for your Twitter handle, and people look askance at you if you don’t have one. The threat of being chased off Twitter for the “wrong” views is a potent one.

  • Alienigena

    Most decent people should have a problems with:

    1) “… giving kids hormones that are going to permanently change their bodies”
    – child abuse
    – medicalisation of gender non-conformance

    2) “… referring to people as “menstruators””
    – misogyny
    – female erasure
    – ahistorical views (re: treatment of women/girls their reproductive systems and sexuality)
    – overt sexism
    – biological reductionism

    3) Words being considered actual violence.

    All that trans activism in the media and on social media has really proved to me is that men are as capable of relational violence as women are. So while they whine about how abused (by nasty women) they are in reality they are the most accomplished abusers on the planet (relational violence, physical violence, emotional violence, religious violence, etc.)

  • Marla

    Interesting. You’re trounce all over the political identity map and still cannot make a point. Lisa Kreut is a male in a dress and plays his transgender card as a crutch for his BDSM activities. Calling him out on that does not make me (I cannot and will not speak for Meghan) “violent.” While we’re on the subject where are you pulling this “350” number from? Can you please provided any citation from any legitimate organization who tracks such incidents. As near as I can find, there have only been 22.

    https://www.hrc.org/resources/violence-against-the-transgender-community-in-2018

    If you took the time to look at violence being directed towards women, those numbers are going to be a much higher. According to the World Health Organization alone:

    1 in 3 (35%) of women worldwide have experienced either physical and/or sexual intimate partner violence or non-partner sexual violence in their lifetime.

    http://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-against-women

    You know, for just “existing” and you continue to overlook them.

    I’ve read Feminist Current” over the years and many times have not agreed with everything they write and/or believe in but that hardly qualifies as “right-wing propaganda.” To say that “Lisa” is somehow being disrespected is an asinine statement; this guy thrives and boast repeatedly how much he loves to hurt people and “modify their behavior” on his Tweets. Or have you not read a single god damn one of them? He professes he loves to manipulate people, control them and cause them physical and emotional pain. Yet you fail to see how he carries that into other aspects of his life. I know he is not worth my respect. Now does that too make me “violent” towards him?

    I’m not “anti-trans” if a male wants to wear a dress then by all means wear a dress but…I do not under any identity politic circumstance word salad you subscribe to have to accept such a person as being a woman. My “view on things” is irrelevant to that fact.

  • Meghan Murphy

    <3

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thanks Nick

  • Meghan Murphy
    • acommentator

      Wow.

      Trans people are apparently entitled to have the fact that they once had a different name erased from all knowledge.

      Makes sense, though. After all, there are ordinary, mundane facts and then there are really beautiful spiritually true facts. Spiritually true facts are more “true” than facts that are merely factually true. It may be factually true that a particular trans person was once known by a different name and considered to have a different gender. But what is spiritually true is that the person was always the gender he/she/they now knows that he/she/they is now. He/she/they just did not know this, because e/she/they were assigned the wrong gender at birth, due to the unenlightened people in the delivery room being in thrall to mundane facts (like, medical stuff) and blind to the more true spiritually true facts.

      So it is more truly true to suppress the merely true facts and present the spiritually true facts as having been always the case.

      After all, Oceana has always been at war with Eastasia.

  • Meghan Murphy

    <3

  • Elara

    To blame radical feminists for the violence trans people experience is fucking ridiculous. Who murders trans people? Men. Do you honestly think men listen to radical feminists?

    Get your shit together.

  • dandelionseed

    The problem is that “the left” isn’t left. Individualism, which is what gender ideology is, has never been left-wing. Nor has the elevation of the subjective over material reality. “The left” actually has no politics, meaning they’re not operating from the basis of any actual political theory. They have positions, many of which are opportunistically derived and many of which are actually very right-wing — like their gender ideology, which is actually a form of libertarianism.

    I’ve watched with interest as “left-wingers” damn Trump for re-negotiating NAFTA when Obama campaigned on doing exactly that in 2008. If “the left” actually had left-wing politics they’d have an answer to how globalization has disempowered workers via wage arbitrage, but that’s not even on “the left’s” radar.

    What “the left” actually had is literary theory. It boggles my mind that they imagine literary theory has more relevance to politics than political and economic theory, but “the left” actually believes that. We are all text and it’s discourse that creates the world. Hence, changing language will change the world.

    But since it doesn’t, while “the left” enforces pronouns, the wealthy continue to asset-strip the planet. I swear, if “the left” didn’t exist, the wealthy would have invented them. (Actually, I think they did.)

    • Anon

      Can’t we embrace individualism and socialism at the same time as many European countries have done?

  • Elara

    Must be tiring to be confused by the simplest of facts.

    Here, you’ll fit right in;
    https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/

    • lk

      “Must be tiring to be confused by the simplest of facts.”

      It really seems like people think that facts and science are not real. Everything is just a matter of opinion. I’m sort of amazed about how unwilling rational, reasonable adults are to open their minds to fact.

      If you think the world is square, then it is! If you think the human race is made up of 900 sexes, it is! If you feel like eating kale and praying cures disease, then it it does!

  • LordofLight

    >>Rad Fems and Trans-Activists alike need to stop the hair pulling gym fights and look for the common obstacle.>>

    From what I’ve seen, radical feminists are the ones asking for rational dialog. And what they’ve gotten in return from transactivists is violent threats, death threats, rape threats and all kinds of attempts to silence/no-platform feminists. Some of the violent threats have even been carried out, such as by the pathetic coward Tara Wood at Speakers’ Corner. Then when feminists defend themselves, transactivists play the victim card.

  • Meghan Murphy

    You will someday. My publisher dropped me a couple of weeks ago because he decided he didn’t want to ‘hurt people’s feelings’.

  • acommentator

    “a far-right shift aimed at annihilating our basic democratic rights under the pretense of “harmful content” or “hate speech”.”

    It is, in the main, the left that no longer believes in freedom of speech, IMO.

    Certainly there are “right wingers” (a vague concept I have a lot of trouble with) who do not believe in free speech. But they are a fringe of a fringe. The ordinary conservative does not look at those people as part of a vanguard leading the way towards the future. Nor does the ordinary conservative believe that a disregard for process type rights is a sign of wokeness and commitment.

    The same is not true of an alarming portion of the left, IMO.

  • Patriarchy Pete

    You were served a red pill, but you refuse to swallow. It’s high time that you took stock of your politics to determine exactly where you fall — progressives don’t seem to care for you, for every progressive is but a single misstep from being punted out of the tent; you softly disavow the spiteful Left and not entirely embrace the Right.

    You aren’t exactly libertarian either I’d say, unless you’re an equity feminist like wendy McElroy.

    So what are you politically? Languishing in the political netherworld likely won’t help your cause; either you have a definable politics or you have none at all.

    Just saying.

    • Meghan Murphy

      I have definable positions.

    • Anon

      And you’ve completely swallowed the alt-right blue pill. You don’t realise how brainwashed you are and it’s sad. There’s still hope for you. People I know have switched from far right beliefs to sane centrist and left wing beliefs. Others have been completely brainwashed by right wing scum and are beyond help.

    • calabasa

      Independents have definable positions. Many people agree and disagree with ideas and legislation from both sides.

      What are you implying, exactly?

  • acommentator

    “and white males doubly so- even their own cannot stand their own minds and bodies.”

    Now that sounds like a sophisticated analysis right there. Insights like that belong in a peer reviewed journal of psychology or psychiatry . . .

    • acommentator

      I hope it was clear I was being facetious. I don’t thing being insufficiently satisfied with oneself is a huge problem, at least for guys. Most “self help” books, for example, seem aimed at women.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I often feel like that as well…

  • TwinMamaManly

    GenderTrender got shut down by WordPress. Apparently because of Jonathan/Jessica Yanvin who is notorious for vexatiously pursuing women and shutting them down – look him up. He was also responsible for hiding behind Canada’s HRC in bringing suits against female estheticians who refused to wax his meat and 2 veg (b/c he identified as woman on that day his junk was ladyjunk. Obvs).

  • hellkell

    You’re confused by sexual dimorphism? Of course you are.

  • TwinMamaManly

    You’re missing the main point. The big one. The fact that FEMinism centres women and girls. Not biological males. Centring and validating males is not feminism.

  • Lara

    Good for you Meghan. This is something I myself have been struggling with for a long time too. I have observed such disgusting misogyny from people on the left that it’s hard to overlook. Never forget that when Harvey Weinstein was caught out for his hundreds of rapes he used the “I’m working on a documentary about Hillary Clinton” excuse. I think sometimes this cover of “the left is pro-women” has given us a false sense of security, and allowed liberal men to largely take over, who have zero actual concern for women, and are happy to endorse causes that put women at greater risk. Another example of this would be that I constantly see liberal men pushing the “men and women” should be equal angle when it comes to things like domestic violence. I.e. if a woman hits a man first, in any way, then he basically has license to knock her out and punch her in the face. When we know there is a vast amount of difference in body structure and potential for bodily damage between men and men. It’s horrible watching liberal men taking feminist talking points and ingeniously subvert them to use them against women- and yet it happens every day. I myself am taking a long look at whether I can continue to support liberal causes when I see such a hatred for women in so many liberal male leaders, a hatred that seemingly goes totally unquestioned.

  • Anon

    The far right are more dangerous than transactivists and far left activists will ever be. They always have been and always will be public enemy number one to me. Don’t give in to their propaganda and their sweet talk.

    • Meghan Murphy

      What do you mean by ‘give in’?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thank you for your support.

  • Meghan Murphy

    omg. do you think we should *not* want people from different political persuasions reading this site??

  • Meghan Murphy

    So who is ‘giving in’ to this? I’m not suggesting people ‘join the alt right.’ I’m suggesting that people engage with integrity and think for themselves. Or, at least, I’m trying to do that.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I will always be the ‘drunk aunt’ at family gatherings, either way. (Though I prefer the term ‘fun aunt’.)

  • Meghan Murphy

    Sorry am behind! It’s probably just that long comments take me longer to get through, because I can’t breeze through them as quickly. Apologies.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Her book is amazing. Her arguments are so solid. Thanks for your support.

  • calabasa

    Not if you have libertarian socialism.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Don’t apologize! I feel bad comments have to wait so long sometimes…

    Thanks for being here! xxoo

  • Meghan Murphy

    I wonder if people would just be even more confused if we used the term ‘sex role,’ since it’s still got the word ‘sex’ in it, then if we continued trying to clarify the difference between sex and gender?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Right!

  • Meghan Murphy

    I mean, once we get into any conversation at all, in terms of my beliefs/politics/ideologies, it becomes instantly clear.

  • 3x5z

    Well Meghan, as a conservative woman who hates what feminism has become (or at least thought I did)…I enjoyed this article and you have my full support! I relate to you as I have lost many upstate friends and family who shunned me without even trying for open discussion. We weren’t made to fit in boxes! The censorship, demonization, and silencing has got to stop.

    • Meghan Murphy

      Thanks!

  • Eric Mann

    I was blocked from Twitter for saying that trans is a disorder. As a feminist I take aim with all these women who have been banned for speaking the truth. Incidentally all these commentators blaming those on the left – I am a socialist and a Corbyn supporter – so have no idea why people think that feminists who speak against trans are right wing (?) or conservative. In the real world I’ve found the opposite to be true. Trans is supported by fundamentalist Christians (who would rather their son had a sex change than be gay) and by Islam – Iran has more sex change operations than anywhere in the world – where being gay could get you the death penalty. A trans activist on Twitter actually argued that most gay men would happily have their penis cut off in Iran.

    I wonder where this is going to go. I notice in gyms and universities that women no longer have safe spaces – toilets – changing rooms – particularly horrendous for those who have been sexually abused as children.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yeah I feel like a lot of people are grouped into ‘the right’, despite being fairly diverse…. Same thing with ‘the left’, though… The categories are too broad.

  • Meghan Murphy

    It’s in moderation. Chill.

  • Meghan Murphy

    What censorship did I support?

  • Meghan Murphy

    I agree with your point about the monolith.

  • Meghan Murphy

    She is in favour of gender identity legislation and (I assume) legalizing the sex trade.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Hmm I don’t know that they do… I think that would confuse people… Though people are already confused so maybe it makes no difference ha

  • Meghan Murphy

    I no longer care how people want to categorize me. I’m just going to keep doing my best to tell the truth and fight bullshit.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I’m doing my best. Would be happy to talk to Rubin, Rogan, or Shapiro. Hopefully will go on Rubin in the New Year.

    • Tim McGuiness

      You wrote:

      “In light of my years of negative experiences trying to engage progressives on issues like pornography, prostitution, male violence, and now gender identity, I’ve unfortunately come to see many of them as cowardly, hypocritical, lacking in political and intellectual integrity, and disingenuous.”

      To me, those issues are more “right” than “left”. You may have been singing to the wrong choir.

      I’ll add in free speech.

      1) Male violence to women. This isn’t is a left/right issue. Ben Shapiro frequently says that the punishment for rape should be death or castration. Blackstone’s ratio still applies.

      Adding some nuance, conservatives think its men’s responsibility to protect women and its women’s responsibility to make good choices. The last part gets perversely twisted, for power or political gain, into “conservatives blame the victim”. That is a lie. If you have read Jonathan Haidt, you’ll know why.

      2) Free speech. This is in our wheelhouse. Conservatives are fundamentally anti-authoritarian and mistrust the government (pro tip: when a conservative says “big government” or “crony capitalism” just substitute “patriarchy”. It’s not the same thing but it will put you on the right path.)

      Fact is we abhor ugly speech, it’s just that we fear tyranny more.

      3) Prostitution. Definitely more of a right wing issue. Conservatives don’t engage with feminists on this issue more because we don’t engage on any issue.

      Conservatives (especially conservative women) would be happy work with you to see law enforcement prioritize putting pimps and sex traffickers in jail.

      4) Porn. This one is tougher from a legislative perspective because it touches on free speech issues. However, conservatives are much more likely to believe porn is harmful to both the performers and the men watching it. I have no data, but I’d guess the men in the “no fap” community skew conservative. Conservatives would certainly be massively more likely to promote the “no fap” idea.

      5) Gender identity. This one isn’t even close. Conservatives don’t think a person with a penis should be dressing next to a woman or a girl. They don’t think they should be competing in the same sports competitions etc.

      We believe men and women are biologically different and that opens up a pandora’s box because science doesn’t play fair to anyone who clings to a rigid ideology. Professor Heather Heyer makes the point that evolutionary biology has plenty of ideas to piss off both liberals and conservatives equally.

      Bonus: Twisting and marginalizing people’s ideas. I think your experience with Twitter and being labeled a transphobic hater may give you a bit of insight to why conservatives mistrust the media.

      Conservatives (especially religious ones) are almost always portrayed on TV or in movies as hateful, hypocritical, regressive creeps. Same thing with conservative ideas. They get twisted like a pretzel to become something hateful, hypocritical, regressive and creepy.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Indeed.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Why will we be enemies? I’m still a socialist…

    • fadremxvx

      Yeah, I’m confused by this too.

  • Meghan Murphy

    No, she’s not conservative… She’s a leftist… Who said she was a conservative?

  • God bless you for having an open mind towards us conservatives, Meghan. Skimming through your work, I think we have many common goals even if we would disagree about many things.

    • Meghan Murphy

      Good to know!

  • fadremxvx

    Interesting, thank you!

  • fadremxvx

    Screenshot along with bookmarking, in case tweets are deleted!

  • John Gritt

    Get on Gab.

    Sure, your feminist idiocy will be challenged and you will be metaphorically spanked into the kitchen, but at least you will have a venue to epxress yourself and promote yourself to followers.

    The very idea of follower is cultish, wouldn’t you say?

    • corvid

      How’s life in Mom’s basement, John? Does she know what you’re using her wifi connection for? Hope your life partner Mr. Hand is doing well.

  • fadremxvx

    Just a quick note: reproductive justice (which is what Meghan names) is different from reproductive rights.

    Most conservatives (patricularly conservative men) don’t give a damn about economic disparities, critical differences in SES, or systemic racism that lead to the dire need for a holistic, intersectional approach to the fight for reproductive rights. It goes beyond the safe and affordable availability of abortions and contraception, which is what has historically dominated the rights rhetoric. Rights is mostly about legislation [of abortion], whereas justice is about the rights and everything surrounding it. Reproductive justice includes freedom from eugenicist gynecology and obstetrics, financial stability in one’s community, a safe place to live, affordable and easy access to good sources of nutrition, easy and safe access to transportation, and good post-natal and post-abortive care.

    All that being said, most men on the left don’t give a damn about reproductive justice either.

    The common denominator here is men, as usual.

  • fadremxvx

    “[He will] treat you with respect as long as it’s mutual[.]”

    Yawn, this is so patriarchal male. What this really means is, “as long as you don’t come across as a bitch,” while “bitch” means “opinionated” and “speaking out for oneself and other women.”

  • fadremxvx

    Though it can be ignored in this privileged way, pornography is a reality of abuse, torture, rape, and often murder for millions of girls and women around the world, regardless of the apologetics vomited from the lipsticked mouths of neoliberal feminists. And justice won’t be achieved by blocking out the problem.

    The issue with porn existing on platforms is manifold: 1) it demonstrates that there is an overwhelming acceptance of the female form as sexual objects and commodities, 2) it indicates that this acceptance extends to admin, and 3) it encourages the perpetuation of hypersexualization and commodification of females, perpetuates the consumption of porn and thereby facilitates sex trafficking, further desensitizes consumers to male violence against females and normalizes pedophilia.

  • fadremxvx

    Wow, so many white dudes (hey librotarians) coming here to mansplain and tell Meghan all the ways she’s wrong — but as long as she presents her “strongest case” and “best arguments” the Right will listen, and she better be “willing to listen too” so they can also change her mind! But also be respectful, whatever that means, so that way she’ll ensure she receives respect too. That ball is in her court, after all!

    Patriarchal men are all the same or very nearly so, regardless of their political affiliations.

  • AnCosm

    Ironic that you would chose to call Corvid out for “blanket statements” and then go on to cover all so-called “conservative women” with the same cloth.
    Pot meet kettle.

  • AnCosm

    Dorsey can’t risk removing Trump from Twitter. It would be self inflicted suicide and he has share holders and other interests to answer to.
    Therefore, they pick off lower hanging fruit like Meghan, or Laura Loomer, or any of dozens of less well known smaller voices none of us have ever heard of.

  • Mehrdad Beiramzadeh

    At least shapiro &co. debate all the time with people with different opinions. Something most leftists don’t do anymore. Shapiro would be a honest hist and allow you to tell your story.

    • Meghan Murphy

      Yep

  • Brievel Montague

    I would happily engage with and debate Meghan. You I’d write off as a bad job.

  • Meghan Murphy

    We didn’t ‘destroy gaming’. First, we are not all Anita Sarkeesian… Second, how on earth is gaming destroyed? I know nothing about it, tbh, but I’m pretty sure you still have access to like a million games no? What’s been censored?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yes, it’s permanent. It’s very messed up. There’s a petition going here: https://www.change.org/p/twitter-re-instate-meghan-murphy?fbclid=IwAR34-9HVOIlEwP5igDU9VaKf_5s1u4F_rqPGgsDJ9j_O4XR8O01LDOL41vA

    I’m also informed that some people have set up an account to share my work and news related to me etc., if people want to follow there? https://twitter.com/meghanmurphyTV

    I’ll be doing YouTube videos soon, and starting a Patreon connected to that, so all of that kind of stuff, plus my writing etc, will be posted there.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Permanent. For ‘misgendering’ ‘JY’, the man who was trying to extort money out of estheticians who declined to give him a ‘Brazilian’ bikini wax. There’s a petition going here https://www.change.org/p/twitter-re-instate-meghan-murphy?fbclid=IwAR34-9HVOIlEwP5igDU9VaKf_5s1u4F_rqPGgsDJ9j_O4XR8O01LDOL41vA

  • Meghan Murphy

    Tell ’em to set it up! 🙂

  • Meghan Murphy

    Oh gotcha

  • Meghan Murphy

    “You don’t have to “join” the right, but I urge you to visit and tell your story. You’ll find a lot more support and friendliness than you might expect.” I’ve already found this, in fact!

    Thanks for your words, thoughts, and support.

  • Meghan Murphy

    “I’m a right leaning woman (I listen to nearly every episode of Shapiro’s podcast and I used to watch Glenn Beck’s show everyday). And my biggest issue with a lot of right wing talking heads and individual men is how they say dumb shit like “Feminism is Cancer LOL” without understanding what feminism is. They seem to think ALL feminists are in league the idiot cult members who favor intersectionality, coddling transsexual males, and obsessing over first world problems over protecting female rights.”

    Agree. And fingers crossed, re: this being a blessing in disguise. I find these kinds of things almost always are, though it’s difficult to see how things might turn out… I’ll keep at it, either way. I tend to find these kinds of attacks energizing. Which is not to say I enjoy them, but rather that they push me to get out of my box/comfort zones and get creative/do more. They always inspire me to fight harder, which is ironic, I suppose, because obviously this is the opposite of what my attackers are trying to achieve.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Your comment makes no sense. Naturally. You are an angry, stupid, entitled man who can’t stand to be challenged.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thank you!

  • Meghan Murphy

    I have not heard of them… I will look them up.

  • Meghan Murphy

    idk what you think the difference is between mainstream, liberal or leftist media asking me for interviews vs right wing media asking me for interviews…

  • Meghan Murphy

    I’m doing my best to get this info out there…

  • Meghan Murphy

    I really do think we should sue. For discrimination or defamation. For allowing misogynists who threaten and bully, and for banning women who speak the truth about pedophiles.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I don’t hate men. And I use Twitter instead of only commenting here because I want to speak to as broad an audience as possible.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yeah it was weird that this is what he was attacked for. It seemed a bit evil.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I just can’t wait to see the kinds of comments I get on YouTube lol

  • Meghan Murphy

    No worries

  • Meghan Murphy

    I just started an account on Minds, though I admit it seems a little complex to ever take off in massive way? I’m very interested in expanding my horizons and engaging in new platforms, though, so recommendations are welcome… I’ve received, uh, let’s say ‘mixed reviews’ w/r/t Gab…

  • Meghan Murphy

    <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thank you!

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thanks Rye. I appreciate your words.

  • antrenteau

    Less transpeople worldwide have been killed in 2017 that there are days in a year. Even according to trans rights orgs stats, transpeople are less likely to be murdered than women or even men (though they are indeed usually more likely to be the victims of other sort of violence or harassment). In my country, there was (hopefully) only one transwomen to be mourned in the last tdor, while murdered women were in higher numbers than a hundred in the same year.
    Trans being murdered is a smokescreen and an unecessary one at that.

  • mail_turtle

    Do you consider people with XY chromosomes who have CAIS to be male? Most people consider them to be female because (again) that’s more intuitive. Maybe it’s not technically correct according to your definitions, but if this works better in practice, then this is what matters more to them.

  • Lucian Vâlsan

    But at least in the pit one stands a chance. And there’s always respawning 🙂

  • Lucian Vâlsan

    >but I don’t think anybody actually believes that transwomen are women, that sex doesn’t exist, and so on

    I used to believe that. Then I met quite a few who seriously, honest to God, believe sex doesn’t exist.
    Sure, many who spout the mantras on Twitter might not “actually” deep down believe all that nonsense. But I was quite shocked how many do, though.

  • Lucian Vâlsan

    Hey there! What’s your Gab handle?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Ok I guess I’ll check it out

  • Meghan Murphy

    I’m now on Gab and Minds, though I’m sort of just figuring out how to use them…. Also will be on YouTube soooon

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yes

  • Meghan Murphy

    I’m there now. Haven’t started using it yet really though… @meghanmurphy

  • Meghan Murphy

    I just joined Gab. Am trying to figure out how it works 🙂

    (Also, I still hold leftist positions, is what I mean…)

    • JaneSmith100

      I still hold leftist positions as well. I’m Green, I’m Pro-choice. I welocme you. If you’re under your name on Gab, I will find you asap, friend.

      • Meghan Murphy

        @meghanmurphy

  • Meghan Murphy

    Not blocked, just in moderation

  • Meghan Murphy

    This silencing of feminists who question/criticize transgenderism is not new, it’s just getting worse…

  • @MelissaKarlee is my gab handle

  • acommentator

    “Yes, it is. It can be reclaimed by the group of people who were targeted by it as an insult, but by nobody else”

    Can it really be “reclaimed”, though? There was some discussion of this in the several threads dealing with the “Slut Marches” (another term I feel queasy typing). The “in group” use of a word may or may not have much effect on the meaning of words in the larger culture, and ultimately, that is where the weight of meaning of a word is determined, IMO.

    Nor do I accept the idea that people in a group have the right to declare words off limits to others but usable by them. If a word is poisonous, IMO, it is poisonous when used by everyone. And that in group use of a poisonous word leads to the ingestion of a fair amount of that point into the group.

  • Carissa Pavlica

    Welcome to the middle! You’ll learn you’re accepted a lot more by your right leaning friends than your mid- to far-left leaning but the center and center-left will join the right in discussing issues or at least nose-to-nose argue it out with you before you start talking about something else. You learn who your friends and relatives are, if nothing else.

    As for your thoughts on who is a woman, as a natural woman, I agree with your position. My most adamant point is if someone honestly believes they feel like a female and choose not to lose their penis, there isn’t even a conversation to be had. If they’re THAT AFRAID to lose the most male part of them, just how female do they feel? Not very, that’s how much. Slap a 45 years worth of menstruation on them, and force them to sit all that time when they pee? Yeah. They’d never make it, and that’s the simple stuff.

    Twitter banning is so 1984 it scares the shit out of me. The world scares the shit out of me. North America, and of course, my USA, are a mess. Thought police? I always hoped it would remain fictional until I died.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Yes @meghanmurphy. What is Andrew Torba’s handle?

    • JaneSmith100

      @a is him on Gab. X

      • Meghan Murphy

        Oh got it. thx

  • Meghan Murphy

    Oh sorry just saw this ignore my other comment

  • Jebediah Atkinson

    Just to be accurate, “anyone with common sense” has been redefined by the Left as “The extreme right”.
    So, when “the right” wants you to join them” they are really just saying “don’t become a brainwashed lunatic”.

    • wasnamesareirrelevant

      Lol.

  • Alawon.B

    They are 100% behind housing transwomen (men) in women’s prisons. Even suing to allow a men to have women’s underwear, allowed to grow his hair long. All without mentioning this convict had brutally attacked a woman.

  • Alawon.B

    Except that science does not, in fact, “roundly refute” that a blastocyst is not an unborn baby. And you can’t prove it does by citing biased material. In medicine there are terms used for the various stages of development with “baby” being none of them. Egg, zygote, blastocyst, fetus…
    DNA also proves nothing, cancerous tumors have their own unique DNA, are you to argue they should be left to develop and live their “life”?

  • antrenteau

    Heartbeats don’t prove life as hearts beat even out of a body.
    Also, the social and medical health of women is a significant argument to abortion, regardless of the fetus status.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I choose rationality!

  • Meghan Murphy

    Guess what getting me banned from Twitter has done? Gained me an incredible amount of support from people who would have never even heard of me/supported me otherwise. The TRAs are making themselves more and more enemies with this fascistic behaviour. People are so pissed.

  • Meghan Murphy

    “Align” and “engage with” are different things. What is it you are going to do?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Where did I even talk about the alt right?

  • Meghan Murphy

    A fertilized egg is not a baby.

  • Meghan Murphy
  • TFYFWYA

    I have way too many conservatives to deal with in my real life to ever fall for the complete lie that conservatives don’t hate feminists. Hell most of them hate all women, full stop.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thank you for your support!

  • Spasmolytic

    It’s a sad day when truth is considered hate speech.

  • James Dosher

    [Fair Warning: I’m a porn writer, reader and watcher. I’m not a feminist. I come to this site to learn about feminism from actual feminists. If my statements, questions, or very existence offends you ~ I apologize in advance.]

    I feel two decades of subtly enforced PC speech ended up as being one of the reasons we got the ‘Trump Surprise’ ~ as in people forecasting a crushing Democratic Victory in 2016 only to have over 60 million Americans vote for the impolite, non-feminist ‘Outsider’.

    Since so few people knew who was really going to vote for Trump, there was no real ability to reach out on a personal level to change hearts & minds. On the other hand, calling everyone who might support him a racist, sexist, misogynistic deplorable didn’t help much either – people like my wife and I.

  • Patriarchy Pete

    You must have mistaken us libertarians for the DemoKKKrats. Different year, same intolerance masked as compassion. Democrats are the only political group that can be systematically racist to people of colour, and expect those people to believe it’s being done in their best interests. What’s worse is they’ve managed to convince everyone else of their strange but backward virtue too. That is precisely the “progressive” attitude that has resulted in where Meghan is at right now.

    For you, it’s only a matter of time before you too will be forced to take a back seat to the newest progressive fashion of the day. Today it’s transgender and indigenous people, tomorrow someone may very well leap ahead of whatever victim group you identify with, while commanding you to stay in your lane when you complain.

  • lk

    “Oh definitely that some people believe these lies, but I’m pretty sure that should you search the Internet history of woke dudebros, you’d see they know what a female is.”

    Yep. How many of these guys who are yelling transwomen are women…really see a penis as being female?!

    I listened to the first 15 minutes of Sally Hines on BBC and had to stop because I kept laughing: sex assigned at birth, sex is complex, doctors making presumptions/assignments about sex…and she kept talking about the sex binary as being a Western concept…LMAO, the dimorphism of the human race is not a western idea…its medical fact known all over the world! What nonwestern culture is she referencing where they think men can become women and that the human races has more than two sexes.

    I didnt catch the name of the rational woman who was responding to here, but thank goodness she was there.

    I hope 2019 will be the year of peaktrans….

  • acommentator

    The left and the right are both fractured. Neither is “controlled” by any particular faction. Different factions are ascendant in different places. Nor is a “your are with civilization or against it” an adequate analysis.
    It is also way too grandiose and apocalyptic. Western civilization has deep roots. It will be fine.

    And men have been dressing as women for a long time. It is not some new thing. Even pretending to believe they are women is not new.

  • lk

    “I didn’t say anything about “conservative women” or conservatism. I’ve chosen to critique the left, but in no way does that imply support for conservatives.”

    I find this frustrating…like if you critique, anything that is leftwing/inline with leftwing ideology that automatically means that you are conservative or uncritical of conservative ideals. Nope.

    One more than one occasion, in response to someone stating a fact like “men and women are not the same” and “men cant become women” Meghan and other have been labeled rightwing and nazis.

    I think we have to be willing to admit that their are leftwing and rightwing ideological values that are in practice detrimental to women, particularly lowincome and WOC. ..

  • Meghan Murphy

    Would love to connect with Sam Harris. Tell him to get in touch with me! 🙂

  • Meghan Murphy

    Would love to connect with Sam Harris. Tell him to get in touch with me! 🙂

  • acommentator

    I have never seen “Nazis.” I have seen “feminazi.” That is a Limbaugh thing. It does not mean that conservatives think feminists are actual Nazis. The overwhelming majority of conservatives are not that historically illiterate.

    Limbaugh is an entertainer, not a political or moral authority on politics. He is not even a WFB popularizer of serious thought by others. He says things like that to irritate his opponents. The people who are using it follow his lead.

    I understand if many feminists see it as the equivalent of being called a Nazis, but I it really is more along the lines of juvenile snark.

    • Sharpie

      “Limbaugh is an entertainer, not a political or moral authority on politics. He is not even a WFB popularizer of serious thought by others. He says things like that to irritate his opponents. The people who are using it follow his lead.

      I understand if many feminists see it as the equivalent of being called a Nazis, but I it really is more along the lines of juvenile snark.”

      Even if it started with Limbaugh the term has now entered popular culture so it really doesn’t matter what the initial purpose was.

      • acommentator

        But again, it does not mean simply “female Nazi.” It is an insult, not a description.

        Anyway, I don’t use it. Never have. And I rarely listen to Limbaugh, who strikes me as a quite intelligent provocateur. He essentially perfected a new genre of entertainment, but he is no political philosopher.

        The left often gets ridiculously wound up by Limbaugh. I remember reading somebody gloating that the election of Obama “really showed” Limbaugh. Showed him what? It was the best thing he could have hoped for. He was playing defense during the Bush years. With Obama in office, his show had material and an audience every day.

  • acommentator

    I think you are wrong. There are still a large number of genuine liberals. They just don’t make the noise that the others do. But there are plenty of them. I know. I married one.

    It is, IMO, the collectivists are that much more on the wane. As was pointed out in the Closing of the American Mind, lots of people who claim to be Marxists are more heirs to Nietzsche. What you are thinking of, IMO, is more accurately called the “post-modern” left.

  • FierceMild

    If Meghan Murphy doesn’t join “insane boomer conservatives and people making fun of them” then the almighty SPEAKER OF TRUTH declares her “just a typical woman.” You have both clarity and relevence issues.

  • Meghan Murphy

    No, a fertilized egg is definitely not sentient.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thanks!

  • Meghan Murphy

    <3

  • susannunes

    I have a question for you:

    Do you see women as human beings capable of making their own decisions, or do you think of these women only as f*** toys and incubators? Your post drips with hate for women. Women are not things to pop kids out, understand?

    A woman “should keep her pants on”? Do you realize how absolutely OFFENSIVE you are? A man should keep his dick in his pants. Problem solved.

  • susannunes

    Do you see women as human beings or only as incubators, good for only popping some kid for some idiot man? A fetus is literally a parasite, and, as long as that fetus is in the woman’s body, the woman has the right to make a decision whether to give birth. YOU don’t get a say in it.

  • susannunes

    And it isn’t any of your g.d. business what a woman does.

  • Supergirl

    If only other feminists were scientists… I feel alone. The science behind these violence is nothing more than a balance of power. Every species on this earth act like that – even your cat with little mice. The issue is that women are physically weak and want the entire world being changed based on that – rather than work to become stronger.

    Regarding bathrooms, some people are just uncomfortable using toilets when the opposite sex is around. We can note as well bathrooms sex-based design like urinals for men and sanitary bins for women. It justifies its existence.
    Anyway, nowadays I think men are the one who don’t want to be in the same bathrooms as women – false rape accusations became a thing these past months. I can’t talk for them but I’m sure to be right.

    • corvid

      “The science behind these violence is nothing more than a balance of power. Every species on this earth act like that – even your cat with little mice”
      So you believe that human males and females have a predator-prey relationship. That’s some great science there, my friend.
      Did everyone see this? Physiological strength and muscle mass differences between males and females exist because women clearly aren’t doing enough ‘roids and spending all day at the gym! Stupid women, expecting men to stop using their size and strength against us!
      You actually managed to turn a denial of the threat to women from males in our intimate spaces into a reversal in which males fear women due to (vanishingly rare) “false rape allegations.”
      Congratulations on your ridiculous comment. That takes both talent and skill.

      • will

        “That takes both talent and skill.”

        Or endless hours in Mom’s basement.

  • susannunes

    These posters see women as literally subhuman. Abortion is really about whether people see women as human beings or objects good only for popping kids out.

  • susannunes

    So is a woman. Or don’t you care? Lots of us wanted nothing whatsoever to do with marriage and motherhood. Just because you made a lousy choice, don’t dictate to the rest of us how to live.

  • susannunes

    And a woman is a human being, and not an object to pop kids out. Why don’t you get a f***ing clue?

  • corvid

    That’s what I’m saying. No woman actually wants to deal with the inconvenience of having an abortion. It’s not something we do for fun.

    • wasnamesareirrelevant

      True.

  • Patrick Adkins

    Hang in there Megan.

    -Patrick

    Owner and Publisher

    Eye on the Republic

    https://thoughtsandrantings.com/

    • Meghan Murphy

      Thanks Patrick

  • acommentator

    I am thinking of something I associate with Europe. There was some of this with the Nazis, but my sense is it is far more than just a German thing. The idea that there is some mystical or holy connection between the people (the blood) and the land (the soil) extending back into the past and on into the future. (Mother Russia, for example). That always appears to lead to authoritarian politics to me.

    There really is nothing homegrown in the U.S. that is quite equivalent. That, I believe, is why our own far rightists tend to borrow symbolism from Europe. We have the Klan, of course, but the Klan seems to be passé.

    • FierceMild

      Aaah, I think I see. Like the Fisher King and the sacred marriage of Celts with the land through Epona.

  • acommentator

    “I do not think conservatives are historically illiterate”

    Well, actually, I said “that illiterate” because some are, IMO, illiterate. At least, they are illiterate in conservatism. They listen to Limbaugh and Hannity, and don’t read Burke, or the Federalist Papers. They talk about the Second Amendment, but they are not familiar with 17th century English republicanism or the anti-army ideology. And most importantly, IMO, the Soviet Union is gone, and people, even conservatives, are forgetting what it was like.

    “I think that what they want to conserve is an older historical order…one that did not include women as the political, social, and economic equals of men.”

    I think rather about preserving what was best of it. Though certainly there are men and women who structure their lives and families along the lines of a 40s or 50s archetype. Some for religious reasons, some not.

  • will

    Yes they are. Do some research. On this blog.

  • will

    You are very generous to take the time to explain all of this very basic history to “Supergirl”. Too bad “she” seems to be incapable of the most simple research or the apprehension of the most straightforward information.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    Nah. Women are just going to keep on aborting foetuses. Literally nothing you can do about it.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    Nah. There’s no question. It’s a baby when it’s born. Now fuck off.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    Yawn. Skin cells are human. Women are just going to keep aborting foetuses.

  • Meghan Murphy

    <3

  • Brucey Pie Pie

    hey heres one we can agree on. fuck censorship.

  • marv

    It’s entirely unethical and a violation of women’s rights for you guys to be telling women what to do with their bodies.

    We men have a lot shit in our heads from patriarchy.

  • griffinrosse

    Speaks volumes about Twitter’s slant that they should allow trolls/abusers full reign and ban you for speaking only the truth.

  • Penny Smith

    You are none the wiser on the trans issue, because there are no social insights that can be gleaned from the ‘born in the wrong body’ narrative. It is sold as a fixed category that needs to be corrected.

    Of course, those who are open to a social analysis can view the phenomena from a few different angles. There is the economic need of industry to find new ways to exploit the vulnerable; the commodification of our everyday lives; the ideological framework of gender that forces us all to fit into rigidly defined roles and their corresponding expectations; the desire to relate, the need for conformity, and controllable change; the need for solutions.

    It is evident that human behaviours and attitudes are infinitely more complex than what society generally allows for. You’re right to ask questions, and you deserve explanations, if we are to advance our understanding of social issues that affect us collectively.

  • Penny Smith

    I’m curious to know what topics you deeply engage in from the Right, that you once had viewed with a more Left oriented perspective.

  • Penny Smith

    I agree with your initial points, which may be rooted in scientific fact. Where you show your prejudice, however, is when you make entirely un-scientific and pessimistic assumptions about women’s behaviour and motivations. Perhaps you are using the language of objective science as a fig leaf for your bigoted beliefs about women.

  • Penny Smith

    What conclusions have you drawn from the objective facts that a foetus is a potential human with sentience, and how are we to apply them to society?

  • Penny Smith

    The abortion debate is highly politicized and ethical issue. There are scientific facts, yes, but they are cherry-picked on either side to advance a certain perspective. Having beliefs and then fortifying them with a limited selection of facts is pseudo-scientific.

  • Penny Smith

    A pro-working class Trump supporter? Jesus, you suffer from political confusion my friend.

    There is not literally one policy passed under his administration that benefits the working class.

    • Meghan Murphy

      Yeah but many working class people voted for Trump…

  • Penny Smith

    Radical feminists don’t need to struggle to abolish marriage and the nuclear family, it is rapidly dissolving voluntarily under capitalism, that views the family institution as an archaic form of social organization under the new modes of 21st century production that relies on the labour wage enslavement of everyone. Family be damned.

  • Penny Smith

    What about western civilization needs to be protected? The Right and its policies are doing wonders for destabilizing ‘our countries’. Your perspective certainly has a fascistic character about it. Perhaps you view this as a compliment.

  • Penny Smith

    Except for the US congress, judiciary, the executive branch and bloated military, who are capable of sending one of their 2,000 nukes into the stratosphere at any given moment. You’re right, its not equivalent, its overcompensation.

  • susannunes

    Is a woman a human being? Answer the question yes or no. If you are anti-abortion, you see women as subhuman.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    Except as we all know – especially you – prostitution’s entire existence and purpose is to prey on women and girls. That’s the product. Raped and predated upon, beaten bashed horribly damaged and sometimes murdered women and girls aren’t a by product or occasional casualty. They’re what’s being sold. They’re the entire point.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    Men aren’t women. Can’t become women. Can’t feel like a woman because such a feeling doesn’t exist. They’re aggressively delusional misogynists.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I think this is an over simplistic view…

  • acommentator

    Ah, but there are many varieties of thinking on “the right.” There is little clarity to be had.

    I don’t want to present myself us as being learned. I am far from it. But I do think it important to have some understanding of what thinkers who reflect one’s own mindset have done with it.

    • FierceMild

      I agree on both points. I think it is the lack of cohesion on the right (by which I do not mean to imply that the left is a dignified group of coherent states people pulling together joyfully in harness) that made a hole filled by Trump and the Alt Right.

      • acommentator

        I think the discontents that fuel the “Alt Right” would exist regardless of cohesion and clarity by conservatives, and therefore Trump would have a spot to fill regardless. (However, I agree that if the conservatives had their acts together better, he would not have got the nomination).

        Of course, he does represent some conservative policies as well.

        I don’t think Trump firmly believes in anything other than what he feels at any particular moment.

        • FierceMild

          Yes, I think your points are pretty demonstrably factual. I think the right dismisses the Alt Right and why it exists too easily. The centre and left-leaning media also had a role to play in Trump’s nomination. The press allowed him to dominate their reporting out of sheer boredom and rubber-necking.

          • acommentator

            “I think the right dismisses the Alt Right and why it exists too easily.”

            I think some conservatives think the alt-right to be too much of a fringe of a fringe to be very important. I don’t think we dismiss why it exists, though. We see it as irrational and emotional and ignorant, driven mostly by resentments and having little regard for the rights and procedural devices that enable freedom to exist in the world.

            These impulses express themselves politically at all times, one way or another. This particular expression (the Nazi symbolism and the like) seems foreign to us. Borrowed from elsewhere.

  • Kimberly MacKenzie

    If a (sentient, viable) child needs blood or they will die, there is no law that will force a parent to give blood, because people are assumed to have the right to bodily integrity. Giving blood has very few risks whereas pregnancy carries the risk of death, organ failure, and changes a woman’s body for the rest of her life. When you die, they cannot take your organs (to save eight other sentient, viable people) unless you gave permission before you died. Why do you think women should have fewer rights than a corpse and fewer rights than a parent who does not want to give blood to their dying child? If you consider this question honestly you will begin to understand that to be anti-choice is to believe that women exist only to be of use to others and that women are therefore not fully human.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I understand how media works and am not naive about any of this. I would like to point out that the right wing media has treated my much more fairly than the mainstream has, now that the mainstream has finally been forced to cover this. The right is no less trustworthy than any other media. I mean, they can’t even bring themselves to acknowledge I am feminist. https://globalnews.ca/video/4717993/protests-over-planned-appearance-of-self-proclaimed-feminist?fbclid=IwAR1j3fEHJy3yYTP_bv62rDI0nFpAlcrhxj4Ocg1uJf-h1kzfVdReXdUiLog

    • Mythandry

      I have no doubt. I certainly trust the capabilities of somebody who can create a publication as important as Feminist Current. Also, Meghan Murphy, I am so very sorry you’ve been silenced by these corporate Twitter dolts, and next payday I am going to begin doubling my monthly contribution to FC. I think the work you and your fellow contributors do is so important for feminism, and for helping to save women and girls from being redefined out of existence completely. Good luck, and I hope your account is reinstated.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Women’s ‘careers’ in porn are short lived, and the women themselves become less valuable and are forced to do more risky, violent porn the longer they stay in the industry. The sex trade is probably the only industry where more experience makes you less valuable.

  • Meghan Murphy

    A fertilized egg is not a kid.

  • corvid

    I believe you’re looking for third-wave or “choice” feminism, which is all over the internet so you’ll have no trouble finding it.

  • corvid

    You know what I meant.

  • Anion

    Did you seriously just ask me why I consider myself conservative if I don’t support racism, exploitation, war, and a “limited and subservient outlook as to women’s role?”

    You know, I just started an actual reply to you, in which I planned to explain to you why and how your rude assumptions are so grossly incorrect. I got about six paragraphs in, but then I realized…there’s no point.

    You’re a bigot. You are a smug, self-aggrandizing, self-righteous bigot, and as with all bigots, attempting to speak to you is both deeply unpleasant and deeply pointless. Nothing will convince you that your clearly unjustified belief in your own superiority and the way you have managed to convince yourself that your moral failings are in fact virtues is incorrect.

    So I won’t try.

    Instead I will continue living my life and thinking for myself, despite your belief that an “ordinary working person” such as myself (a professional novelist, btw) is too dumb to do so–really, your snobbery is so transparent it’s laughable. Perhaps one day you’ll be capable of doing the same.

    I won’t hold my breath.

    Have a pleasant weekend.

  • FierceMild

    Hierarchies based on competence don’t exist in a society constructed on the genicide of native races and theft of their land, the enforced labour of women and black people who were denied the right to participate in education, politics, jurisprudence or the economy, and the exploitation of immigrants and children.

    The hierarchy of competence is a fiction to soothe the raw conscience of the comeporary man who had no say in the construction of the system from which he benefits but who noneltheless feels the guilt of unearned position.

  • AnonTheMouse

    I’m commenting on what I did read.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    You’ve not the faintest clue what feminism is. Not all opinions are created equal. Be silent until you’ve educated yourself. Literally no rad fem EVER said men could become women You’ve confused sex and gender.

  • Djdj Jdjd

    “Feminism was just destroyed – it doesn’t make sense anymore, and because
    I’m still bitter at being called an oppressive misogynist for the last
    decade, a small part of me is glad that it was just invalidated by the
    very same monster you created.”

    Maybe you’re being called an oppressive misygonist because you are one? And only a complete dumbass would use the term “alpha male” to describe himself.

    Feminism is far from being destroyed, in fact the radical movement is gaining traction by the day as more and more women are waking up and moving away from the parasitic behavior of both trans and “alpha male” types like you. Either evolve or stay in your little male supremacist bubble, it won’t matter either way in the end.

    • wasnamesareirrelevant

      Yep. The whole alpha male silliness was founded on incorrect information about wolves, later debunked.

      Human males who wish they were alpha nearly all turn out to be disappointingly dim and have jobs where they get to shout at people on minimum wage.

    • Gloria Hole

      He just gave you the most valuable lesson you could have used to help in your current predicament with trans extremists. In case you hadn’t noticed, they’re winning. Instead of listening to that advice and using it, you got hormonal and did the very thing that will see you carry on losing – you lumped normal men in with this trans ideology.

      Feminism, trans or otherwise, really isn’t growing. And the few of you that there are spread yourselves way too thinly. Whilst the trans extremists pool their resources and target one group – you. Here you are fighting ‘muh patriarchy and muh gender stereotypes and muh gender pay gap and trans and etc. etc. etc”

      So, for now, we will just sit back and watch you carry on losing to men in dresses.

      • will

        Hahaha! Hilarious satyrical comment, Mr. Hole!

        Just curious: did you have your first name legally changed from “Ass”?

      • Djdj Jdjd

        “you got hormonal and did the very thing that will see you carry on losing – you lumped normal men in with this trans ideology.”

        Typical argument from a raving misygonist: Oh you’re so hormonal while the man is so logical. Guess what, trans ARE “normal” men. They are oppressive and dominant like any other sexist man out there, particularly the ones who keep their penises which more often than not are the straight ones pretending to be lesbians. You’re the one kidding yourself if you think there’s that much of a difference between the typical trans and the “alpha male” assholes. They’re both obsessed with their penises, with maintaining male dominance, with destroying women’s boundaries, with gender roles, with heterosexuality, and with violence.

        “Feminism, trans or otherwise, really isn’t growing. And the few of you that there are spread yourselves way too thinly.”

        Wrong. The radical feminist movement is growing rapidly. You will only see this happening if you’re part of the community since women are forced to be subtle about their progress. Men have the most legal and government representation, this trans movement is just another backlash to women gaining more liberation from men. The transgender method is approved by many men in powerful positions because it benefits male supremacy. Men are terrified of women congregating, sharing their experiences with each other, challenging patriarchy, and growing in solidarity. But no matter how men try to prevent it, more women are educated today than ever before. Education leads to enlightenment and someday revolution. I just hope that day comes before men destroy what is left of the planet.

      • FierceMild

        You appear to be saying that when faced with the choice of pursuing justice and rational discourse in society or staying mute in order to harm women men will choose to remain silent in order to spite women with whom they disagree. At the same time you imply that feminists are the man-haters…

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    All people who speak English. If you believe any little girl ever actually chose to grow up to allow a.grunting sweating stranger who thinks of females as a hole to empty fluids into to deposit his sperm down her throat, up her arsehole, in her vagina or anywhere else he chooses so she can pay her rent – if you’re so depraved you’re pretending that’s a meaningful choice then either you’re pro rape – because of course when money changes hands sex is NEVER consensual – or you’re not intelligent enough to discuss the issue.

  • TweedledumAndTweedledee

    I did not mean to give the impression that I understand what it means for a woman to live in fear. Please don’t be offended. Lots of men support what Meghan is doing.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    Mostly they don’t pass. The trannies who comment on here can’t even manage to pass backlit with a filter and a picture the size of an ant.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    Nope.

    Being a hateful misogynistic racist doesn’t make your position true.

    Behaving hatefully misogynistically and in a racist fashion is what creates hateful racist behaviour.

    And hateful misogynistic racists never stop bleating their hate speech, they’re the least suppressed or silent people on earth.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    And foetuses aren’t. Human like skin cells. Women can abort for any reason or none.

  • Becky Adams

    I’m a former liberal democrat from Massachusetts in the US, the issues that matter to me still matter to me, but I saw with my own eyes that the democrats and the left as well view those issues as something to exploit when it serves their interests. Unfortunately I’ve seen that the elites and too many others in the feminist movement do the same thing. Our civil rights are crucial to our survival, and none of the advances made would have been possible with out them. What we are seeing with the trampling of our rights is the imposition of the plantation slavery state. Which is something the US democrat party never stopped being the party of, and something Marxists, both communist and socialist also are the parties of.. globalism is communist/socialist internationalism. They are regressive. I became an independent in 2013, and then a Republican to vote in primaries. I read about your situation online and looked for your site. I was banned from Twitter in 2017, for disagreeing with and honestly refuting the claims of a leftist and backed my statement up with a cited source with a link. It didn’t matter. I was banned and they refused to reinstate me. I don’t think the “right wing” (I don’t identify as right wing”), are seeking for you go pick sides, rather they are seeking common cause to oppose the insanity that is going on.

  • Becky Adams

    Look, Im not looking for an argument but it’s not capitalism that has failed, but the neocon Trotskyite communist internationalist (globalism) trade policies, like NAFTA, MFN then PNTR with China, where companies were lured by and got hooked on cheap wages, no regulations, no environmental standards in countries like communist China, and socialist countries like Korea, Mexico, Central and South America. It’s communism and socialism that are failed systems, that oppress and persecute the people. It’s this same ideology at play with the discrimination and disenfranchisement this article references. The whole Orwellian, “some are more equal than others”, any means to an end.. the tactics behind the censorship and the attempts to demean and dehumanize those who speak out to defend themselves are the same tactics used by the bolsheviks, their nazi and fascist fellow travelers.

    • mail_turtle

      The 8 richest people, all capitalist men as far as I know, own as much as 50% of the planet’s population (3.7 billion people). 82% of the global wealth generated in 2017 went to the most wealthy 1%. That seems like something is wrong, don’t you think? Should we blame communism?

    • marv

      China and North Korea are not communist or socialist. They have twisted the meaning of the these ideologies to suit one party rule over the masses.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thank you for your support.

  • Meghan Murphy

    How so? Which positions, specifically?

  • Meghan Murphy

    These bullies have only succeeded in showing the public their true colours. <3

  • Mythandry

    It took me over five years to realize I could allow myself to trust my perspective about trans ideology enough to be “open” about it. That feeling of relief when I understood that it was perfectly okay to be a feminist who believes in facts over other people’s feelings. I really could have used someone like Tammy Bruce.

  • Sharpie

    Yes, they are more vulnerable than men, are you purposefully acting dumb? Whether it’s softcore, hardcore, bdsm men in porn just stick their dick in women, they never get grabbed, abused, slapped, choked, etc.

    “You realize that many of the top executives and money-makers in the porn industry are women, right? Previous porn actresses, in fact.”

    We don’t support choices that hurt other women here. It doesn’t matter if the choice is made by a woman or a man. We couldn’t care less if there are women in power or not.

  • Sharpie

    “I’m just some nerdy college engineering girl/student who never wears makeup to school and dresses comfortably and boring to school since I’m not trying to impress (jeans and T-shirt/sweater… Nothing special). I guess I’m considered more manly because I can’t live up to pin up doll stereotypes that transexuals are reviving since these disturbed men think that’s what makes a woman.”

    This is not a transexual issue though. Women have been wearing make up even before TIMs started taking over our spaces and culture. Most make-up channels on YouTube have female creators and they weren’t influenced by the trans movement to wear and promote make-up. The same thing goes for the fashion industry.

    Why would you feel inferior? As long as you have good hygiene, your clothes are clean and you look put together no one has a reason to judge you.

    I don’t dress fancy either but no one has ever judged me for my simple looks.

    “Feminists should be outraged that men are trying to be better at being women than women themselves”.

    But we are not. We couldn’t care less if men are trying to be better women than us. We couldn’t care less if they believe wearing makeup is feminine etc. They’ve been doing that for centuries and they minded their own business.

    We are worried instead about the lack of respect for our boundaries and the invasion of our spaces. We want them out of our spaces and we want them to stop dictating what we should do. We shouldn’t be forced to allow them in our bathrooms and lesbian women shouldn’t be coerced into dating them. That’s what matters, our boundaries and our safety.

  • Sharpie

    “That’s exactly the problem. You don’t publish male egos but you publish female egos.”

    Addressing women’s issues isn’t publishing female’s egos. Stop being disingenous.

    “The problem of FCurrent is, it only portrays women as victims.”

    Because that’s what we care about. It’s not wrong to focus on our issues.

  • Julia

    “unify us as women…”

    Except you aren’t a woman. You admit you are biologically male, which means you are a man. What do you think makes you a woman? Is there some female essence? A “female brain?” Which is not upheld by good science, FYI; women’s and men’s brains have mosaic features that make it hard to differentiate with one another and have no specific sex difference. So, I am trying to figure out what makes you a woman. You state that we “might actually agree with you on more than you would think” but I am not sure a how when fundamentally myself and others disagree with you that there are women other than those born with XX chromosomes.

    In fact, I disagree with the term “transgender” because I don’t believe in gender. The feminine gender is one that includes not just feminine and restrictive clothing but also demands feminine and restricting behavior and reduces women to sex objects and birthing machines. I find the term “transgender” offensive because in order to uphold transgender, you have to uphold gender – and I have fought my entire life against the expectations of gender, against the expectations of being perceived as a weak sexualized object – an identity pushed by more than just sexual harassment. And now I am supposed to support a gender identity movement along with your transgender identity?

    I cannot do both. I cannot abolish gender yet support even the use of the word “transgender,” much less an entire movement.

    You want women and men who identify as trans to unite as women, but if you actually understood why women are oppressed, why many women reject “cis,” you wouldn’t use the term gender. I am not particularly impressed in your acknowledgement that you are biologically male. The issue is that you think you are a woman at all, that you believe through “gender” we are in the same class – women. We aren’t. My and other women’s oppressive experience with the feminine gender is not open to debate. It is real, universal, and women get sexually and physically assaulted and killed because of the female gender role.

    Gender needs to go.

  • Sharpie

    “I think that what they want to conserve is an older historical order…one that did not include women as the political, social, and economic equals of men.”

    That’s more the alt-right than the average conservative. Most alt-right theorists consider themselves true conservatives and they believe true conservatism keeps women out of the equation. The other alt-righters are national socialists but also believe women should stay out of politics etc.

    The average conservative is similar but less extreme.

    • FierceMild

      It’s the “similar” that makes women justifiably wary. There is a distinct lack of conservatives distancing themselves from misogyny.

  • Elise

    “Now its time for a common sense, historical look at what the truth is?”
    “And millennia of cooperation that made advanced society possible will be destroyed. Its really a diabolical way to destroy society over time.”
    You seem to have had a very narrow look at historical sense.
    You only have noticed some diminution of your masculine privileges over the last decades following action and militantism of feminists, and you interpret this as a destruction of society.
    Historians looking at the evolution of human organizations over the last thousands years noticed that the exploitation of women was probably the first form of oppression and the one which made thinkable the following forms of oppressions, based on race and economic class. Progress towards cooperation and a really advanced (not only technogically but also in terms of civility) society is made possible only by actions from human rights activists such as feminists.

  • Djdj Jdjd

    I don’t have the time or patience to read your wall of nonsense. Don’t you have anything better to do than invade a feminist website and whine about things you know absolutely nothing about? That’s not a serious question BTW since we all already know you don’t.

  • Penny Smith

    Your math is a bit off. It isn’t a 3% unemployment rate, but 33%. Over 100 million Americans are unemployed but are not counted on the census as such. Here’s why. The first question on the census is, “Are you unemployed?” If the answer is yes, then there is a second questions of “Are you looking for work?” If the answer here is no, then it is not considered unemployment.

    It’s one of those nasty bureaucratic tricks that propagandize folks like yourself into thinking that establishment political parties have worker’s interests in mind through the hollow illusion of job creation and Friedmanite economic stimulation.

  • marv

    Burger joints and society don’t believe in nonhuman animal rights to life. The belief in animal inferiority causes violent treatment for the sake of taste and price. It’s undeserved. Moreover, animal use industries are mainly controlled by men.

    You didn’t address how plumbers and massage therapists are highly gendered occupations and how male dominance has a lot to do with it: men fix, women nurture representations.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    Nope. Hate leads to racism and misogyny. You’re telling no truths.

    Having read your fact free hate filled posts it’s easy to see why you’d like to believe someone besides yourself is responsible for your virulent hate.

  • wasnamesareirrelevant

    This means nothing. Men aren’t women. Biological irrefutable fact. You’ve confused sex and gender. And apparently invented imaginary categories. Educate yourself.

  • will

    “we can observe that when choosing a burger joint, most people choose the place that makes the best tasting burger at the most reasonable price.”

    Right… People consume based on rational weighting of value against their available financial resources, which is why marketing is such a tiny and marginalized business. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c90df58ac583eb8c445ad576e66dfffe24b66a08bdef8233802d1e85858fb47a.gif

  • will

    You are so incoherent and ignorant, it’s pitiful.

    • J Gripes

      I’m ignorant? The leader of this site was just silenced for hate speech! And you all think that the entire landscape of your message hasn’t changed? If your message being labeled ‘hate’ by leftist technocrats doesn’t wake you guys up then nothing will. Good luck.

      • Meghan Murphy

        I was *accused* of hate speech. But I have never said anything that constitutes hate speech. You seem to think women should shut up when libeled, bullied, and threatened. Sorry, we’re not gonna.

  • FierceMild

    My goal here is to actually reach a place of better understanding between different political viewpoints. I grew up conservative and I really understand the views they hold. I think conservatives are annoyed by people pointing out why change was and is necessary.

  • corvid

    Omg. No, feminism is not about bootstrapping and turning women into female Jean-Claude Van-Dammes, genius, it’s about stopping male violence against women where it starts, by changing men’s attitudes.
    Are you serious? Human males and females do not have a predator-prey relationship. What evolutionary sense does it make for males to hurt the mothers of their offspring?
    10% is an exaggeration. I’ve not seen that figure put forth and I’m not sure where you’re getting it from.
    Considering 1 in 3 women experiences some form of sexual violence in her lifetime, females make up the majority of sexual violence victims, and males the main perps, girls and women are justified in needing and wanting our own spaces.

  • But you missed a bigger point earlier.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Thank you!

  • Minerva Conatus

    Patriarchy is as successful as it is partly due to all of the women who help enforce it, and keep other women in line. In China, it was mothers who bound their daughters’ feet. Today, it is women who mutilate girls’ genitals with rusty knives.

  • Elise

    You seem to consider this transactivists phenomenon as a novelty, which has nothing to do with patriarchy. I consider it an other manifestation of patriarchy with the appearance of novelty, but using old technics.
    Woman saying no to a man has been considered hate speech for the last thousands years. And using women’s (socially constructed) tendency to care and niceness is nothing new either.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Everyone is ‘non binary’, if we’re talking about gender stereotypes. Some people have intersex conditions. That doesn’t mean males and females don’t exist. The vast majority of the people in the world are clearly either male or female.

  • antrenteau

    That would be because marriage largely wasn’t about union of two people but of two families and made in order to secure and incorporate children into a clear lineage. Marriage isn’t strictly about the two engaged but about their future children and sometimes material inheritance. And since it takes a man and a woman to make a child, it therefore is logical that homosexual marriage is usually a non sequitur.

    Also, one should be careful to lump all Ancient Greeks together. Cities had different values, usually where pederasty was valued, same-age homosexuality was discouraged and vice-versa. And then, “homosexuality” in the Ancient world is typically not understood as the same thing as now. Greeks weren’t exactly “gay” in the modern sense, it’s anachronistic to think that way.

  • Meghan Murphy

    What are you talking about?? I support free speech for men and people I disagree with, in general.

  • Omzig Online

    Lol, sure “Supergirl.” I’ll let my Neurology and Forensics departments know that they’re not nearly as “aligned with high level of logic [sic]” as a virtually illiterate boy who spends his time looking at porny comic book characters on the internet and pretending to be a feminist.

    Bye, kiddo.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I find her music incredibly boring.

  • Meghan Murphy

    “Socialist” = left. The ‘left’ in the US is mostly liberal.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I believe I’ll meet Deborah next month in TO and I’d be happy to speak to Joe Rogan.

  • Meghan Murphy

    You make no sense. You don’t seem to know anything about me or my arguments.

  • marv

    Women were the first property in history. Marriage sealed the deal.

    Religion and philosophy were male determined. Why would you look to male supremacy to inform your ethics? Because you are male?

    Heterosexism is discrimination.

    • What is your point?
      Is it that every culture on Earth; every philosophy; every religion; throughout all human history, is “evil” because it has been dominated by men ?

      Why do you think they have all been dominated by men ?

      Could it be that men really are different” than women?
      And if men have ended up dominant in every culture, why do you think that is ? Are men “superior” in at least some of their abilities?

      And if men dominated, what has that got to do with “heterosexism” ? The “dominant men” COULD have all been homosexual. Why weren’t they?

  • marv

    Another deep state conspiracy theorist. Thanks for the chuckle. Is the government hiding UFO findings (Area 51) and gargantuan asteroids on a collision course with Earth?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Ensuring no one lives in poverty doesn’t strike me as opposed to liberty but ok.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Who have I silenced?

  • Meghan Murphy

    I’m aware. You said ‘liberal, ‘ then ‘classical liberalism,’ so I assumed you were differentiating between the tow.

  • Meghan Murphy

    It appears to me as though Google hides Feminist Current from its search results, as well as other publications supportive of me (petitions in my favour, etc). The power of trans activists in big tech is endless, apparently.

    I don’t know that many leftists are willing to admit they are wrong… I think some of them see that their tactics have been harmful, but are too scared to speak out or, yeah, admit they messed up. I’m trying to admit where I have been wrong and what my regrets are, in the hope that others will feel better equipped to do the same.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Arguing that men victimize women does not mean they are ‘weak’ in character. They are physically weaker than men, though, in general. This is simply a fact.

  • corvid

    Men victimize women. Men should not be victimizing women and each other. That is the whole point. They should be stopped from doing this through education and law. The implication of what you’re saying is that those you call physically weak deserve to be victimized. This would include the very young, the very old, and women with disabilities that restrict their capacity to physically defend themselves. All women obviously cannot be expected to become killer Amazons in defense against male violence. It is not okay to victimize people because they lack brute strength! What you’re promoting is Social Darwinism. That’s a problem.
    Here’s the plan, Supergirl. We educate men and put sanctions on abusive behavior through law. Simultaneously we have separate intimate spaces for women to minimize the chances of exposure to male violence. This works in reality. You obviously don’t live in reality so I don’t expect you to understand.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Of course they did not. I was banned for referring to a male as ‘him’. A male who was targeting women. They banned me because I was holding men to account and gaining to much traction doing so. What you are posting here, on the other hand, is libel.

    • J Gripes

      I honestly cannot believe you think you were kicked off of twitter for ‘holding men to account’. Like, twitter has a ‘don’t criticize men’ policy? You can criticize straight white men as loudly as you like, in any forum, in any capacity, and people will cheer you on. But you came at a protected class, a subset of men that is protected by censorship policies. Why are they protected? Why would they silence your criticisms of trans people but not your years worth of previous criticisms of men? How are you not asking yourself these questions?

      You assuming that Tech Billionaires and Transgenders women and Joe the Plumber are all on the same team, protecting one another because we are men, is an astounding lack of awareness on your part. You are still beating this man v women drum and the cultural landscape has zooooomed right passed you. People don’t even agree on what a man is anymore!

      I care enough to keep on responding here because there are so many women, and men, who would benefit by you asking ‘wait whats really going on here?’ but you just don’t seem willing to do that. Its a lot scarier when people aren’t cheering you on huh? Do a 30 minute podcast on ‘why are you allowed to criticize some men, but not other men?’ and you would probably loose all your advertisers and have your apartment vandalized. Welcome to 2018. This should be your red pill moment, but dunno if it will be.

      • Meghan Murphy

        Unless those straight white men identity as ‘trans’….

        As surely you know, I was suspended for referring to JY as ‘him’. Do you know who JY is?

  • Meghan Murphy

    Not by ‘giving away other people’s money,’ by ensuring no one is making extreme, unnecessary amounts of money while others starve.

    • Who decides what an “extreme, unnecessary amount of money” is ?

      Under what moral code are you allowed to take other people’s money just because you think they make too much ?

      By many standards, you probably make “an unnecessary, extreme amount of money”. The worldwide median household income is equivalent to $2935 USD (yes, less than 3 thousand). If you make 5X that, can we start taxing at 80% ?

      • Meghan Murphy

        Most people who are wealthy are not, like, savvy businesspeople — their wealth is inherited. I do not, by North American standards, make an ‘unnecessary, extreme amount of money,’ no…

        I’d argue no one needs to be a billionaire.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I think they also vote republican because they hate identity politics and feel like the dems aren’t doing anything for the working class? As far as why working class people may have voted for Trump, for ex, anyway….

  • Meghan Murphy

    If you use the threat of imprisonment to coerce women into pretending men are women or to shut women up that is the very opposite of liberty.

  • Abi Tiki

    Thank you, Meghan. I’ve been thinking much the same way.

  • Anion

    And this is an even later reply; I apologize, I’ve been afk so am only just seeing this.

    Oh, I completely agree re Madonna, and your larger point; I simply believe nonsense like the Madonna “girl kissin’ show” is another aspect of the “sexual orientation is fluid” issue, and encourages people to believe that lesbian sexuality and sexual expression is something women just do for shock value or for fun or whatever–a “phase” women go through. Just wanted to add a point, not negate yours.

    You didn’t and don’t seem at all to be thrashing all bisexuals (and even if you had, you have a right to do so if you like and believe what you like, and it’s not my place to tell you you’re wrong). I know exactly what you mean, and agree. Labels and words mean things, and this idea that it’s cool to twist those meanings to suit your own ends, despite the fact that the word/label actually means something important to the people who that word originally “belonged” to, is crappy.

  • marv

    The nation was founded on the theft of Indigenous land, enslavement of Black people and the subservience of white women by white males. Classical liberalism is a white male supremacist creation.

    A sample of white settler condescension:

    https://theconversation.com/all-mouth-and-no-ears-settlers-with-opinions-83338

  • Meghan Murphy

    I’m not talking about middle class people who make and save money. I’m talking about wealthy people who have old money, property, and investments, not really because they worked hard or are savvy in any way, but because they have access to… money.

    Why does anyone need to be wealthy? Why does anyone need to be poor? It’s unnecessary. It’s not like wealthy people work any harder than poor people….

  • Meghan Murphy

    Fight back. Work to have a public discussion about the implications of this. Obviously.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Taxes are not ‘confiscation’.

  • corvid

    Female-only spaces are integral to women’s participation in public life, whether you like it or not. There’s nothing radical in what you are suggesting, only regressive.

  • marv