Dear Nora, Prostitution is more than a ‘tech’ problem

Spark

I am full of sighs today, as one of my very fav radio hosts, Nora Young, has fallen prey to sex industry propagandists. Young, for those who don’t know (or aren’t Canadian) is the longtime host of Spark, CBC Radio’s tech show. She is a vibrant and intelligent host with a great radio voice. The CBC was the background noise to my childhood and, between her and Anna Maria Tremonte, they’ve kept me listening well into adulthood.

Unfortunately, this week’s episode threw me for a loop. Titled, “The impact of technology on sex work,” Young seemed eager to support industry advocate Lux Alptraum’s efforts to frame websites that help men buy sex as progressive and, more broadly, the global problem of prostitution as simply an interesting and engaging “tech” issue.

Described by Spark as “a writer who focuses on issues related to technology and sex,” Alptraum is, in fact, more than that. She was the CEO, owner, and editor of porn blog, Fleshbot (not gonna link to it, Google at your own risk) until she sold the site to SK Intertainment in 2014. That is to say, the porn industry paid her bills. It still does in many ways, as she continues to focus much of her work on the normalization and promotion of the sex industry.

Now, this episode was not just disturbing in that it featured Alptraum as a guest or in that it promoted the legalization of the sex industry — that kind of thing may be objectionable to those of us who don’t agree that prostitution is harmless or something we must accept as part of life, for all eternity, but it’s not uncommon. But Spark is a cheery tech show. Young goes after topics with a curious, but upbeat approach; meaning that her friendly tone felt decidedly inappropriate considering the topic at hand.

She intros the issue of selling sex online as just another tech matter — a simple way for “sex workers” (a term Young apparently accepts unequivocally, without acknowledgement that most prostituted women and girls worldwide don’t have the privilege of identifying with this sanitized and misleading term) to better their lives and increase “safety.” Not once is it mentioned, during the segment, that the majority of trafficking and exploitation happens online today. Nor is it acknowledged that girls and women are sold, against their will, day in and day out, through the very sites Young and Alptraum present as cute, convenient ways for business-savvy “sex workers” to sell their wares.

Her first question is immediately leading: “In general, how does the internet enable sex workers to pursue their work?” Considering that a massive investigation into sex trafficking in Toronto recently found that every single one of the hundreds of women and girls being sold by pimps (who Alptraum frames as “protectors”), to johns, were being advertised on sites like Backpage, and that Craigslist has played a huge role in enabling child trafficking, it seems strange to pretend as though the roles of sites that help johns find women and girls to buy are simply helpful tech tools independent women use to better their lives… Alptraum responds to Young by saying, “It’s really interesting because the internet has dramatically changed sex work… ” Right. It has! Now it’s easier than every before for men to sell the women and girls they’ve prostituted and easier than ever before for men to set up appointments to rape these women! So interesting!

Alptraum is also fond of presenting Twitter as the Real Truth About Prostitution. (As we all know, the world’s most marginalized populations make Tweeting a top priority!) In an article published at Motherboard last month called “Twitter has made it impossible to ignore the reality of sex work,” she makes her bias clear, saying that she has “pretty much always been pro-sex work.” But while Alptraum claims to have a “nuanced” understanding of the sex industry, she also admits that most of what she knows about prostitution, she learned on the internet. Which, actually, makes a lot of sense.

While Twitter was once seen as something that would democratize communication, allowing all people an equal “voice” in public discourse, that dream never came to fruition. Twitter amplifies the voices of those who already have a voice. To break it down crudely: if you have thousands and thousands of followers, your words hold a hell of a lot more weight on Twitter — and therefore in public discourse — than the vast majority of users, who tend to have under 100 followers. In fact, an Atlantic article published in 2013 pointed out that data shows the median Twitter user has only 61 followers… Jon Bruner, the data journalist who algorithmically queried the service told The Atlantic that “If you’ve got a thousand followers, you’re at the 96th percentile of active Twitter users.”

What this means is that if you’re using Twitter to hear from marginalized individuals, you’re unlikely to get anything resembling “nuance” — rather, you’re going to hear a lot from what is actually a very small minority of people.

When Young asks Alptraum “how the use of Twitter and social media has changed the perception about people who do sex work,” she fails to take into account a couple of things:

1) Twitter is not “reality” nor is it representative. (This is not to say that Twitter is incapable of presenting a version of reality or that it is always unhelpful, in terms of representing people’s ideas or activism, but it is not, by any means, the end all be all. Most people in the world are not active Twitter users and if you want “reality,” you still have to go offline.)

2) Twitter, for women who work in the sex industry and use the platform for work purposes, serves as an advertising platform. Why would anyone trying to promote/sell prostitution give the industry anything but glowing reviews?

There are very obvious ways Twitter has changed the conversation about prostitution, but those ways have little to do with the day-to-day reality of prostituted women and girls and a lot to do with the way relatively privileged people and those who profit from the industry have intentionally manipulated discourse. The fact that Young opted to speak with a young, well-off, white, American, Ivy-league graduate, whose career has been financed, in large part, by the sex industry about “the reality” of prostitution, speaks to this very clearly.

These are the people changing the conversation, dictating language and discourse, and, apparently, brought on our public radio broadcaster to normalize the sex industry for a Canadian audience. Never mind the Indigenous women sold (and disappeared) off of ships in Thunder Bay. Never mind the girls locked up in motel rooms, expected to service men all day and night, across Ontario. Never mind the endless stream of women and girls, living with mental illness and addiction, who have no choice but to allow men to abuse them for a few dollars, standing along the Kingsway corridor or the Downtown Eastside. No. We want to hear from rich New Yorkers who think “Internet!” is the solution to the ongoing racist, misogynist abuse faced daily by hundreds of thousands of females around the globe.

To call the segment an “interview” is inaccurate — every single one of Young’s questions to Alptraum are framed in a way that both decontextualizes and sanitizes the reality of prostitution, but also in a way one might if, say, you were a night show host, offering your guest an opportunity to promote their new action flick: “How great is this movie?!” “Should people pay to see it??” Young’s questions challenge nothing; they are intended only to offer a platform for industry propaganda.

Not only do women deserve better, but the Canadian public deserves better. The CBC belongs to all of us, and we love it because it provides us with good, ethical journalism — not so we can listen to 10-minute-long advertisements for a multi-billion dollar industry whose existence rests on the kind of exploitation and deep inequalities few Canadians (I would hope) support.

Meghan Murphy
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Meghan Murphy is a freelance writer and journalist. She has been podcasting and writing about feminism since 2010 and has published work in numerous national and international publications, including New Statesman, Vice, Al Jazeera, The Globe and Mail, I-D, Truthdig, and more. Meghan completed a Masters degree in the department of Gender, Sexuality and Women’s Studies at Simon Fraser University in 2012 and lives in Vancouver, B.C. with her dog.

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  • pandora50

    Thanks Meghan. I too have liked Spark and Nora as the host. Very disappointed in this.

  • Lucia Lola

    Nothing to add outside of what’s been perfectly addressed in this article. What the hell, CBC?

  • Meghan Murphy

    I tweeted the piece at her… Hopefully she will read it… Whenever I’ve tried to contact the CBC with concerns about radio segments, I’ve been ignored. It’s pretty disappointing because I really am a huge supporter of the CBC…

  • Meghan Murphy

    Same 🙁

  • Meghan Murphy

    Ugh, re: Co-op Radio.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Same. The CBC was on every single morning at my house, since I can remember. I listen to the podcasts and/or live radio every day, still.

  • Nora Temple

    Yeah, as if pimps are really going to let the young women they exploit have the “freedom” to choose clients that are “safe”.

    This woman seems to think that pimps don’t exist, that prostitution is an ~empowering~ job done by independent women who have enough political and economic freedom to not only choose prostitution but also their clients!!! Seriously, I could not help but roll my eyes to the back of my head w/r/t that Twitter article on the “reality of sex work.” Because enslaved, trafficked, marginalized, pimped out women REALLY spend their free time on Twitter blogging about how much they ~love~ the job.

    Get a grip on reality and maybe don’t choose a pornographer who made profit off the filmed exploitation, rape and abuse of women as the spokesperson for the sex industry, Nora.

  • corvid

    When is the average liberal person going to wake up on this issue?? There is a form of mass delusion surrounding this that’s akin to the conditions that make any type of atrocity happen.

    Oh, we wouldn’t want to be so prudish as to think that women’s bodies weren’t disposable fuck-objects, would we? Noooo, we can’t recognize that all girls and women around the globe have a right to food and sustenance and inviolable bodily boundaries! That would just be too sex-negative amirite?

  • CJ

    Aw, I love the CBC. I grew up listening to it and I listen to the radio every day. This feels like such a betrayal. There was a real opportunity to challenge the woman about how the Internet allows for even easier exploitation of women and children but rather than do that, we get this absurd normalization of men buying women and children.

    The CBC seems so hypocritical here. They’ve held up the investigation into missing and murdered aboriginal women and gone so far as to ban comments on aboriginal articles due to extreme racism in the comments sections. Then they turn around and run a segment like this on Spark? It’s like they don’t even understand the issues at hand. Ugh.

  • Virginia Howard

    Meghan, I’m so glad you caught that segment. I desperately wanted to comment on the episode but the CBC page didn’t give me the option. Where’s the class analysis? Why is ‘sex work’ gendered? Why the hell doesn’t the Canadian broadcaster ask these questions and why are the media such suckers for this bulltripe? Strangely enough for someone who values “the reality of sex work”, Ms. Alptraum’s dot com home page features a gynecologist’s plastic model of the female reproductive organs. The external sex organs are NOT represented, in fact they’re completely amorphous and transparent… Now that’s a perfect shingle for someone who wants to erase the physical cost to women in the sex trade, and to turn every square centimetre of their bodies into marketable, lucrative so-called “product”. Prostitution IS the American Dream.

    • ChoderlosdeLaclos

      You can comment on Spark’s facebook page. I did.

  • Virginia Howard

    You could ask Lux Alptraum the same question(s).

  • esuth

    Are you asking because you’re going to say that she has no right to have any opinion on the sex industry if she’s never been in it? Because that argument displays a baffling blindness to the way the sex industry operates. I have never been in the sex industry, but I grew up in a red light district. Beginning at the age of twelve I was presumed by the men who came to my neighborhood to buy sex to be for sale, and was propositioned daily, with varying degrees of aggressiveness. It was traumatic and contributed to a lifelong mistrust of men. Much as you’d like to believe that only women who work in the sex industry are affected by it, that is false. The commercial sex industry affects every woman everywhere. Lots of people don’t like when we have non-positive opinions on it, but we don’t really care!

  • Meghan Murphy

    What difference does it make? I’m not the one promoting the global oppression of women as empowerment or disguising the reality of the industry because it eases my conscience. Prostitution contributes to the oppression of all women and therefore, as feminists, we are opposed to it. Whether or not any of us are currently prostituted is irrelevant to that position. Beyond that, many women who are or have been prostituted are not in a position to go public with that information, nor should they be expected to. To argue that only self-declared “sex workers” may speak or have an opinion about the industry creates an extremely misleading conversation. This is about male power and female subordination. It’s not about who identifies as what.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I honestly can’t tell if this is a joke or not.

    • radwonka

      @TGOEE twitter is full of porn and BDSM (men spanking women etc). He is a pornsick misogynist. I bet he is also a john.

      He acts as if he cares about victims and poor women when the only thing he wants is to sexually use women: ” yeah some ppl r victims but its feminists fault not rapists fault, if sucking dick for 10 centimes was legalised for every male on earth there wouldnt be any victims! even if women r victims ppl SHOULD satisfy me!!”; just like his previous argument: “there r victims thus we need more porn!!”. On top of that he also blames women: “it is women who want to freely satisfy my misogynist fantaisies! it has nothing to do with me being a pig at all!”. A real coward.

      Sex industry activists and buyers are so disgusting I swear.

  • When I was first attacked by the pro-sex industry people, they presented themselves as ‘sex workers.’ As the months passed in their attacks of me, I learned they were PIMPS. The people on Twitter promoting the exploitation of women and girls are PIMPS. That was my first lesson in my abolitionist work.

  • That’s like saying you have to work in McDonald’s in order to critique the fast food industry.

  • Alienigena

    The level of violence in mainstream media is just nauseating. When they call you sensitive (I was called that often by my family members) you know it is an insult. Like you, I didn’t want to be desensitized to violence or sexual content. If you like sci-fi it is hard to avoid violence in television series of the genre (literally guns firing off repeatedly as in Stargate (Atlantis and Universe) series of programs, oh for the quiet trill of a phaser, and I am not a great Star Trek fan). Even Doctor Who has explosions but thankfully it is geared to children and adults so gratuitous and graphic violence is generally not depicted. Although the more recent Doctor seems to veer between more adult and more child-centric story lines. I remember watching the first Raiders of the Lost Ark and just feeling nauseated and bombarded by the noise and violence to human body (dismemberment by plane) by one of the bad guys. I am finding it harder and harder to tolerate violence in shows that I formerly liked (The 100) and am choosing not to view them.

    • Alienigena

      I forgot about the Canadian produced series Lexx which had some violence (but at least not a lot of guns or bombs going off, except when the Lexx disintegrated a planet), a lot of sexual innuendo, and stereotypes. But I loved it. Because sci-fi without a sense of humour just seems to be a really backward (in its depiction of women for one) genre.

  • Nora Young

    Hello Meghan,

    First, thank you for this thoughtful commentary about Spark’s segment; you raise a lot of important issues. As you know, and have documented here, prostitution and sex work are complex topics.

    The segment in question was specifically focused on people who choose to do this type of work (my phrase ‘be independent and stay safe’; Alptraum’s distinction between people who choose this line of work and the terrible problem of trafficking and forced prostitution). The guest’s perspective was transparent throughout the interview and she clearly differentiated between the people forced into this kind of work and those who choose to do it.

    Regarding the tone of the piece, it was certainly not my intention to make light of the topic. I tried to adopt a neutral stance toward people who choose to engage in sex work, people who are often objectified and dismissed by mainstream media. I’m sorry if my tone came across as inappropriate to the material.

    My colleagues on Spark and I would not argue that prostitution is a “tech problem”. We were attempting to explore one corner of this topic, which is how people who choose to engage in sex work adapt technologies to help them stay safe, and protect their privacy.

    Nora

    Thanks again for your perspective. It gave me much to reflect on.

  • corvid

    So human trafficking is caused…. by feminists. YOU ARE SO RIGHT DEWD

  • corvid

    Also that is exactly what I’m talking about. I bet you also think animals volunteer to be slaughtered for their meat, and that some slaves benefitted from their position. Open your eyes.

  • Sara Marie

    Also, many pimps don’t call themselves pimps. Partially, I think, this is to delude themselves that they are not doing anything wrong, but it is also to delude the girls/women/children they use into thinking of them as a manager or a boyfriend. I once saw an ad on backpage by a man who was looking to prepare women to go into the sex trade. He said, “I am not a pimp. You will keep 50% of the money you make.” LOL!! The very definition of a pimp is making *any* money from someone else’s sexual use.

    The fact that the mainstream buys into this ideological PR campaign is something they should be deeply ashamed of.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I’m on the verge of banning you, TGOEE. Please see yourself out.

  • Melanie

    I think also that if the sex industry wants to be seen as a legitimate ‘job’ or a legitimate ‘industry’ then people in this industry need to accept that it’s open to being criticized and legislated against, like any other industry – tobacco, mining, alcohol, forestry etc., especially when it’s such an unethical, dangerous, unsafe and often outright criminal industry. Anyone can critique or advocate for legislation of these industries because they effect us all. In the case of the sex industry it especially impacts the status of girls and women, therefore they have every right to speak out against it, whether they’ve been in the industry or not.

    • Sara Marie

      If the sex industry was a legitimate job, much like any other, why do we not hear the BUYERS promoting this line? Where are all the “johns” writing articles about the similarities in buying vagina and ass to buying hamburgers? We hear so much about why “it’s a job like any other” from the presumed seller’s perspective, but what about from the clients’?

      Even in comment sections, men will argue that compensated rape is a job, but only argue from the seller’s POV. They won’t argue from the customer’s perspective, how BUYING sex(ual access) is like buying any other service.

  • peri

    Prostitution apologists always hide behind the happy hooker with a heart of gold cliche. Prostitution does not improve anyone’s health. It is a reification of gender and class, a salve for johns’ massive egos.

    • radwonka

      Prostitution apologists are cowards and have always been, which is why they abuse and hate defenceless women and survivors.

  • Meghan Murphy

    An echo chamber of arguments that actually make sense? Sounds good to me!

  • Meghan Murphy

    IDK I kinda doubt anyone here understands your “Michael Jackson and George Lucas” comment. Do you?

    • Two celebrities that surrounded themselves with yes men and self destructed.

      • Meghan Murphy

        Ah YES! I’m exactly like TWO WEALTHY MILLIONAIRE ACTORS. Excellent comparison. Perfect, actually.

  • Meghan Murphy

    Most johns are just regular guys. Married men, fathers, etc.

    • Then why outlaw prostitution if the customers are OK guys? Why let the criminal element take over?

      • Meghan Murphy

        Your circular arguments that go nowhere but back around to the beginning are getting really old… 1) They aren’t “OK guys” — they are johns. And they can go fuck themselves. They are, I said, just REGULAR guys. Your regular, everyday, entitled dude who doesn’t think women are fully human. 2) The “criminal element” already has “taken over.” Who do you think runs the industry?

      • Zuzanna Smith

        She didn’t say they were ok guys, she said they were regular guys, as in men you see on the street, in the grocery isles, in the office, everyday. They are far from ok, buying a woman’s body for their entertainment then going home to the wife and kids, they are disgusting.

      • Tired feminist

        No one is saying they’re ok. We’re saying they’re normal guys. Normal guys can be quite icky.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I do disagree with misogynists, yes.

  • corvid

    Get a dictionary.

    There are lots of nice men out there who want to “improve their health” by putting their dicks up your ass, why don’t you go take advantage of that unique economic opportunity?

  • Zuzanna Smith

    How about the men make improvements to “people’s” health for a change and instead of buying a woman’s body so she can make rent, they start a fund to take the money they were going to use for coercive sex and use it to make sure prostituted women no longer have to have sex with men they don’t know and really don’t want anything to do with? They can call it the Reformed Johns Fund for the Improvements to the Health and Happiness of Prostituted Women. Maybe you can come up with a shorter catchier title.

  • Tangelo

    If johns have a problem with “regular” sex, they can stick their dicks in the closest fire ant hill and pump away. And leave women and children alone.

  • Dutch feminist

    Where I live, prostitution is legalized and now trafficking has spun out of control. It has made it so much worse all over the world. Holland is now the oil in the machine of modern human slavery. We have done it again, but now it’s mainly girls and women. I realy hate Holland for this! How can any women really be free in a land where so manny women are forced into slavery. On a weekly bases, stories can be red in the news that an other case forced prostitution has come to light. It’s not just some girl ones in a while, who was forced by a loverboy, but women are being dragged in to prostitution from every corner from our society. Two months ago, 76 mental disabled women and girls living in institutions where forced in to it. About a month later, women in shelters for battered women are forced in to it. Refugee women who have just arrived in Holland are picked up by traffickers from the refugee shelters, as a intruduction to our culture, but the refugee men are accused of being repists and they have to stay away from “our women”. Holland has gone mad!
    We are so proud of our liberal views on “sex” and even are proud that our prostitutionssystem is a tourist attraction. Womens slavery is a tourist attraction over here and we are proud of that! Holland is proud of this cruel part of our culture! I can’t believe how stupid people are around here! Women specifically. Women except it as a nesesarry evil, men need to be able to rape other women (but tell themselves, just like their men, that most women are free sexworkers, of their own choice) or else they are going to rape us. It’s men’s genetics, they can’t help themselves when they feel the urge to spread their seed. And for their husbands (many of them go rape those women in prostitution) they all sure love watching rape of women in porn. Porn is normal here, every man watches (in or out of relationship, doesn’t matter) and “really sexual” liberated women watches porn too, don’t be a prude! Being a prude, or being moral about porn and prostitution, is almost like crime over here. People get very upset about it. You have to shut up about it, you are wrong. Even with all the stories coming out of forced prostitution, people just don’t want to know the truth. And if they do know, they accept it as the downfall that comes with the job, our society can’t be even thought of without prostitution. So be it.
    I’m told, many times, that there is nothing wrong with all of this, most women enjoy porn too. I am the crazy one. Well, in that case, I want to be the crazy one! Rather than being one of those sheepwomen who believe every nonsense the men in their life tell them to keep the status quo. I guess most women are afraid to really speak up, because, thow we are told women are free in Holland, a lot of cruelty to women is socially accepted with our legal prostitution and liberal views on porn. Almost all the men in all the women’s lives love porn, enjoy their womanhating hobby in front of their wives and girlfriends, doghter nWhere I live prostitution is legalized, and trafficking spun out of control. It has made it so much worse all over the world. Holland is now the oil in the machine of modern human slavery. We have done it again, but now it’s mainly girls and women. I realy hate Holland for this matter. How can any women really be free in a land where so manny women are forced is to slavery. On a weekly bases, stories can read in ower news that an other case have come to light. It’s not just some girl ones in a while, who was forced by a loverboy, but women are being dragged in to prostitution for every corner from our society. Two months ago, 76 mental disabled women and girls where forced in to it. About a month later, women in shelters for battered women are forced in to it. Refugee women who just arrived in Holland are picked up by traffickers from the refugee shelters, Holland has gone mad!
    We are so proud of our liberal views on “sex” and even are proud that our prostitutionssystem is a tourist attraction. Womens slavery is a tourist attraction over here and we are proud of that! Holland is proud of this system! I can’t believe how stupid people are around here! Women specifically. Women except it is a nesesarry evil, men need to be able to rape other women (and tell themselves, just like their men, that most women are free sexworkers, of their own choice) or else they are going to rape us. It’s mens genetics, they can’t help themselves when they feel the urge to spread their seed. And for their husbands, many of them go rape those women, but all sure love watching rape of women in porn. Porn is normal here, every man watches (in or out of relationship, doesn’t matter) and “really sexual” liberated women watches porn too, don’t be a prude! Being a prude, or being moral about porn and prostitution, is almost like crime over here. People get very upset about it. You have to shut up about it, you are wrong. Even with all the stories coming out of forced prostitution, people just don’t want to know the truth.
    I’m told, many times, that there is nothing wrong with all of this, most women enjoy it too. I am the crazy one. Well, in that case, I want to be the crazy one! Rather than being one of those sheepwomen who believe every nonsense the men in their life tell them to keep the status quo. I guess most women are afraid to really speak up, because, thow we are told women are free in Holland, a lot of cruelty to women is socially accepted with our legal prostitution and liberal views on porn. All the men in all the women’s lives love porn, love have their womanhating hobby in front of their wives and girlfriends, daughters, sisters, friends, etc, noses. Every man they love, dad, brother, friend, etc, thinks this cruel treatment of women is fun and enjoyable. I think women don’t feel free, but feel intimidated! And out of fear they just start to believe it must be ok, just like men say, even if it feels so wrong. Porn and prostitution feeling wrong for women is just being prudish and their own flaw. Her feelings about it aren’t correct, she’s overreacting about it. She should except porn, reject her feelings. Some even think they must participate in consuming porn to prove to themselves it’s just harmless fun and show their men what a cool girlfriend they are. Many Dutch women in relationships except porn as forplay, just to please their man, how sad!
    All women suffer from porn and prostitution, all in their own different way’s.
    I lived above a flat where young women were being trafficked too. It happens everywhere nowadays. As being a woman on my own, I could do nothing about it without putting myself in danger. It’s horrible to be so powerless to do anything to help those girls. So, I know how terrible things have become over here, I’ve seen it with my own eyes, it doesn’t happen far away from our homes, it’s happening everywhere. Something has to be done! What are we waiting for, how bad does things have to get before people wake the hell up?!
    Porn and prostitution have made me hate men. I don’t want to hate men, but after all I have seen and know, I can’t help myself. I really really hate men for their cruelty towards women and telling us women in Holland we are free, we don’t feminism, we should shut up on all the feminist crap. Porn and prostitution doesn’t count when it comes to how they treat women over here, even in being worlds prostitution laundromat, men treat women “with respect” in our society.
    Lot of rape amongst women outside of the sexindustry as well, but women are making that issue bigger than it realy is. Women are just fine here. That’s the way women should see it (most of them do) and that’s the way I should see it too.
    But I don’t see it. I don’t want to believe any of this is normal! I’m the crazy one?? Thank God!

  • ABW

    TGOEE, prostitution is legal in Germany, yet they have a massive problem with sex trafficking.

  • Tired feminist

    1) Nah. Not in prostitution. In prostitution MEN only care about what they can get from WOMEN.

    2) Nah. Sex trafficking exists because there will never be enough women who enter prostitution voluntarily (gee, I wonder why).

  • radwonka

    “echo chamber” my ass, your twitter is full of misogynist and repetitive porn, and you dare calling people who make ACTUAL arguments, unlike you and your unoriginal patriarchal fantaisies, an echo chamber? Moreover you insist that women should do this or that when YOU should 1.stop hiding behind a weak libertarian rhetoric 2. start behaving like an adult: YOU create the demand, YOU want women to sexually serve you, YOU have misogynist fantaisies=> YOU are the problem. No one else.

    Just like any other pornsick males you prove that johns are manipulative and dont care about boundaries.

  • Meghan Murphy

    At the point where you believe that women exist to provide men with orgasms?

    • Thank you for clearing that up. What I believe is that nobody owes you anything, but it is not possible to not be affected by the other gender.

  • radwonka

    When they support porn/prostitution/bdsm/rape/fgm/patriarchal fantaisies like beauty norms, stereotypes/domestic violence/queer theory/etc etc.

  • Meghan Murphy

    I’m not following… You think that women talking about women’s liberation and male violence against women somehow equates to… “Talking over…” Whom? Women? Should women NOT be invested in ending systemic oppression?